If we close up for a bit...

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Who will still go out for a bivvy ride?

I will
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15%
I won’t
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65%
Undecided
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20%
 
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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by sean_iow » Thu May 21, 2020 8:25 pm

Bearbonesnorm wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 8:12 pm
Amazing to think the coppers here are patrolling Hafren forest for a crowd of one - me.
Presumably they've always done that, even before lock-down :wink:

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Thu May 21, 2020 8:26 pm

If it was just you and lots of polisïau in Hafren that would make you the best bodyguarded person in Wales and nobody would be nicking your bike :smile: .
A van doing laps Reg. Reckon he must have got bored of keep sticking my number through the system.
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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by jameso » Thu May 21, 2020 10:32 pm

Bearbonesnorm wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 8:12 pm
Sarfend beach Wednesday:
Honestly, it looked like that?

Amazing to think the coppers here are patrolling Hafren forest for a crowd of one - me.
Beware the tabloid long lens photo trick. A lot of that going on, it's BS.

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by RIP » Thu May 21, 2020 11:01 pm

Aye, as I say I did wonder about the 800mm lens but it still looks pretty damn convincing. There was an aerial one too of somewhere else, bit harder to massage.

The latest amusement is Arseyjet claiming to be starting up again. Can't see any difference between 100 people sitting inches away from each other in a sealed tube for 3 hours and 100 people sat in a sealed pub for 3 hours, but what do I know.
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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by stevewaters » Fri May 22, 2020 12:03 am

When the governments think of "Camping" they are going to be thinking camp sites with communal toilet and washing facilities. For that reason, it feels to me that camping will be one of the last things we will be explicitly allowed to do. The best we can hope for is the removal of the "must return home" requirement, I suspect.

On my ride in the Peak today, I encountered a Dad and 2 young sons returning from a wild camp below Kinder and then an actual bikepacker who fessed to camping last night in the Upper Derwent valley near the bottom of Cut Gate. He said there were about 5 or 6 other tents dotted around. It is a popular wild camping area.

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by sean_iow » Fri May 22, 2020 7:37 am

stevewaters wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 12:03 am
The best we can hope for is the removal of the "must return home" requirement,
I've said it before but I'll say it again anyway, there is no requirement to return home in the Act. Th guidance they keep producing is just that, it is not the law. The law hasn't changed since the start of the lock-down.

There is a list of reasons why you may leave your home, provided you are undertaking one of these activities you are not breaking the law.

How could they define/restrict when you go out? You are allowed out to work and many key workers will work shift as they are in jobs that are staffed 24hrs, so they cant return home each night.

We are allowed out to 'exercise' but there are no further clauses to define what this is, where that is or how long it takes. It doesn't even say you have to start from home so those people who headed out to the national parks to walk weren't breaking the law, which might be why they got the police to tone down the level of their response early on when they started filming people with drones. They probably realised that if someone challenged their fine through the courts it would show how badly written the Act is. They are relying on social pressure and the media to make anyone who doesn't follow 'guidance' some sort of enemy of the people.

If stopping to bivi formed a part of your exercise before the lock-down then I see no reason why it is not legal to do so now. But whether it's possible to go for a bivi guilt-free and without risking the wrath of the public is another question.

Going back to the comments before about heading out with bikepacking bags and arousing suspicion I think we are seeing this with the eyes of a Boner :smile: The general public have no more idea what is in my bar bag than they notice I'm riding a single-speed. Heading out on a bike with bivi kit is so far off the radar for a normal member of the public that unless you have an old fashioned roll mat strapped to the bars it wouldn't occur to them that this is what you are doing, they'd probably think you were off to a yoga class :lol: I did 3 days of local riding with my bags in for the WRT and didn't get a single comment or strange look.
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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by restlessshawn » Fri May 22, 2020 8:35 am

I don’t see anything in the Scottish guidance from 28th requiring a return home at night? So camping ok so long as it’s fairly local and part of your exercise?

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by BigdummySteve » Fri May 22, 2020 9:46 am

For the sake of honesty I’ll be out for an overnighter when the bike has two wheels again, there’s practically zero risk either to myself or anyone else.
It will be local and solo,
We are now getting conflicting advice, while I’m legally only allowed to meet one other person, outside at distance, my lad is apparently safe to return to school. They have also required that children be accompanied to school so good luck maintaining any social distance outside the school gates. Sitting in a tent on my own in a remote wood alone (that sounds a lot less fun written down!) is the safest thing I can do apart from remaining inside my own house.
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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by jameso » Fri May 22, 2020 9:53 am

There was an aerial one too of somewhere else, bit harder to massage.
Fair enough. A drone would have been cheaper than those huge lenses they were using to take photos of cyclists in Richmond Park, if they wanted to actually show what was going on vs fake it. And after seeing so many dubious pics I'm now primed to think any of these pics might be done that way - that's how all this disinformation affects things.

And all well put there ^ Sean, sums it all up currently I'd say.

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by ScotRoutes » Fri May 22, 2020 10:19 am

restlessshawn wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 8:35 am
I don’t see anything in the Scottish guidance from 28th requiring a return home at night? So camping ok so long as it’s fairly local and part of your exercise?
I'd been planning a bivvy this week but I reckon I'll hold off until 28th now. Comments above about there being no "legal requirement" to return home apply in Scotland too but I reckon it'll be frankly less controversial / antagonistic once we are in Phase 1 of the exit plan.

FWIW there's loads of folk up here who know exactly what bikepacking looks like. In a normal Spring-Autumn, I see kitted out rigs most days. I realise this is exceptional though. The only place I can think of that I've seen near as many would be Fort Augustus.

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by ScotRoutes » Fri May 22, 2020 10:20 am

Rigs.

Ah.

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by RIP » Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 am

ScotRoutes wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:20 am
Rigs.

Ah.

Yep, slippery slope there Colin. You'll be saying "running" or "rocking" next, instead of the rather more serviceable and meaningful "using". Must've logged in to the wrong forum by mistake :smile: .
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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by sean_iow » Fri May 22, 2020 10:41 am

ScotRoutes wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:19 am
FWIW there's loads of folk up here who know exactly what bikepacking looks like.
But by virtue that they recognise what it is are they more likely to be on 'our' side?

I was also of course applying the frequency of occurrence down here to up there as well, apologies. When I did my WRT I was overtaken by a well known* local rider. As he passed me he said 'Hi Sean', I asked how he knew it was me, to which he replied, 'by your setup' so down here it's rare enough for me to be identified from behind just for having bags on.

* He's Tim Wiggins and quite famous on the Island and one hell of a rider. His stats for last year are 15,870 miles and 1483845 feet of climbing :o if your having difficulty reading the climbing that's getting on for 1.5 million feet!
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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by RIP » Fri May 22, 2020 10:47 am

RIP wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 am
ScotRoutes wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:20 am
Rigs.

Ah.

Yep, slippery slope there Colin. You'll be saying "running" or "rocking" next, instead of the rather more serviceable and meaningful "using". Must've logged in to the wrong forum by mistake :smile: .

Reminds me of this thread that I kicked off a year ago, maybe it's still got legs today ('got legs'??? now you've got me at it):

viewtopic.php?t=14361
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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by ScotRoutes » Fri May 22, 2020 10:53 am

sean_iow wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:41 am
ScotRoutes wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:19 am
FWIW there's loads of folk up here who know exactly what bikepacking looks like.
But by virtue that they recognise what it is are they more likely to be on 'our' side?

I was also of course applying the frequency of occurrence down here to up there as well, apologies. When I did my WRT I was overtaken by a well known* local rider. As he passed me he said 'Hi Sean', I asked how he knew it was me, to which he replied, 'by your setup' so down here it's rare enough for me to be identified from behind just for having bags on.
Being recognised as a bikepacker would antagonise some folk who interpret the guidance differently.

Once upon a time, I'd look at loaded rigs and likely be able to recognise the owner. These days have long since passed 😁

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by stevewaters » Fri May 22, 2020 11:19 am

sean_iow wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 7:37 am
I've said it before but I'll say it again anyway, there is no requirement to return home in the Act. The guidance they keep producing is just that, it is not the law. The law hasn't changed since the start of the lock-down.
- Thanks. I might then have a go at the "Peak 200" as a local ITT in a couple of weeks then. - There's some woodland on Hope Brinks that should provide plenty of cover for a discreet half-way bivvy.

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Post by htrider » Fri May 22, 2020 11:42 am

RIP wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 am
ScotRoutes wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:20 am
Rigs.

Ah.

Yep, slippery slope there Colin. You'll be saying "running" or "rocking" next, instead of the rather more serviceable and meaningful "using". Must've logged in to the wrong forum by mistake :smile: .
:lol: Nice to get some humour into this. Colin your on a yellow card.

If next weekend is really wet (and therefore no one will be out except idiots) I'm thinking May bam..... Can't wait to rock the singlespeed bicycle with bags on. Oh sh*te
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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by ScotRoutes » Wed May 27, 2020 2:28 pm

Guidance for Phase 1 of the Lockdown restrictions being lifted in Scotland.
You may exercise outdoors as many times each day as you wish and for as long as you want. Cycling activity should only be on routes that you know well and are within your ability level.

Permitted to travel short distances (broadly within 5 miles) to start your ride. However, we continue to advise that you start your ride from your home.

You can ride outdoors alone, with those you live with or with one other household at any one time, maintaining social distancing of at least two meters at all times from those in the other household.

You should continue to maintain a distance of at least two metres from anyone you meet whilst out riding, stopping and waiting for people to pass when necessary. This is particularly important when riding on narrow paths and trails.

You can sit and rest outside before, during and after your ride.

If you are showing coronavirus symptoms, or if you or any of your household are self-isolating, you should stay at home.

We would also continue to encourage cyclists to:

Ride responsibly – ride within your ability level. High risk exercise (that may result in injury and require medical care or emergency services support) should be avoided.

Be prepared - consider what tools and spares you need to carry with you so that you are self-sufficient, including maintaining good personal hygiene at all times.
Crucially, resting mid-ride is now allowed (well, as of 28th May).

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by restlessshawn » Wed May 27, 2020 2:49 pm

Where did you find that Colin?

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by sean_iow » Wed May 27, 2020 2:51 pm

Is that copy and pasted word for word from the guidance? Very badly worded. "should" doesn't mean you have to ,only advised/hoped for but no consequences* if you don't. For example, if the mean you have to stick to routes you know it should have said "shall"

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by restlessshawn » Wed May 27, 2020 2:59 pm

Actually that seems to be from Scottish Cycling not the Government so not the law and possibly why it's badly worded

This is from Scottish Government

"Sport, culture and leisure activities: In this phase
we are planning to allow unrestricted outdoors
exercise adhering to distancing measures and
non-contact outdoor activities in the local area –
such as golf, hiking, canoeing, outdoor swimming,
angling – consistent with the wider rules and
guidance applicable to any activity in this phase."

Wild camping would surely be a non contact outdoor activity so as long as it's local seems fair. No mention in the document of having to return home at night anywhere I can see.

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by sean_iow » Wed May 27, 2020 3:03 pm

Also, I read this
Be prepared - consider what tools and spares you need to carry with you so that you are self-sufficient, including maintaining good personal hygiene at all times.
As having to take overnight shelter/food/wash kit :wink:
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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by Jurassic » Wed May 27, 2020 3:11 pm

I think the various governing bodies for sports activities have been seeking clarification from government regarding their particular area so the statement will have been composed by Scottish Cycling based on advice they've been given (the same thing happened in England with the BCU for paddlesports after Boris and his cronies relaxed restrictions). As somebody on here (I think Sean IOW?) mentioned before most of the restrictions are guidance and not actually legal requirements so if you feel brave/rich you could probably challenge quite a few points in court if you wanted. That's one of the reasons why people like Dominic Cummings and Catherine Calderwood haven't been prosecuted for breaking lockdown rules (you could also argue that it's due to their lofty position in our social hierarchy and that Joe Public may not have been so lucky).

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Re: If we close up for a bit...

Post by Jurassic » Wed May 27, 2020 3:19 pm

The advice on DMBiS website hasn't been updated yet to reflect the new guidance but the previous statement makes reference to the fact that they've been talking to the Scottish Government (along with Scottish Cycling). http://www.dmbins.com/riders/news/updat ... 9-pandemic


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