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Patio needs weeding, valves not correctly aligned with tyre logos, cranks not level and miss-matched tyres... 5/10
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I’ve got a 2015 giant anthem with 100mm each end (incidentally, the 2020 model has 120 / 110 , boost and is 1 1/2 times the price). It climbs quite well while seated despite having no lockout though I don’t have any long climbs locally. At 13.5kg it’s not super light but the stock wheels are heavy. You really notice the bob when climbing out of the saddle so I tend to stay seated. It’s my de facto bike packing bike because I don’t have a hard tail and the gravel bike is setup for predominant road usage.
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I thought this was going to be a "What legwear?" thread.
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I'm sure you're on top of this, but those silicon boots trap mud/water and hold it at the pedal thread. Worth regularly removing and checking/greasing pedals. I've got some X0 cranks with a pedal stuck in, after the other pedal collapsed.I have Sram X0 on both my mountain bikes. I've got silicon boots on the ends.
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i think this is true as they do grip - might be more of an issue with light riders like me as i have certainly seen less svelt and fit riders get up things i loose grip onRide uphill on rough stuff with a fs bike. Walk it with a rigid due to the lack of grip.
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I did say, the issue most likely lay with me and not suspension Gian ... these full sus riders, nearly as touchy as roadiesRide uphill on rough stuff with a fs bike. Walk it with a rigid due to the lack of grip. So much for treacle. I ride both (fs and rigid) very regularly and once the terrain is rough enough ... well... as usual; horses for courses.
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I made the point, in my wee CL300 write-up that I was very grateful for suspension when I was tired, it was dark, and I had a fast, rough track to descend back to Blair Atholl. I was more able to throw caution to the wind, knowing the bike would soak it up.
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I think that's a tongue-in-cheek STW idiom. Standard joke on any comment of a bike pic 'over there'
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Couldn't stop myself, it's working from home, this is my only contact with the outside world. Nice bike though
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Third Speafish now. Also have a Pivot Mach 5.
I'd have to think back a long way since I haven't had a full sus as well as a hardtail. At least 1999 I'd suspect.
I'd have to think back a long way since I haven't had a full sus as well as a hardtail. At least 1999 I'd suspect.
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IMG_20191117_124505681 by Jurassic690, on Flickr
This is mine, an Orbea Rallon M Team 2019 (with 2020 linkage kit). 160mm travel front and rear, 29er, full carbon. Total overkill but it's incredible to ride. It's not particularly light (despite the carbon construction and blingy bits) but it doesn't feel heavy when you're riding it and it climbs better on rough terrain than any other FS bike that I've ridden. Possibly not the ideal bikepacking tool but I hope to try it if I'm lucky enough to see the other side of C-19.
This is mine, an Orbea Rallon M Team 2019 (with 2020 linkage kit). 160mm travel front and rear, 29er, full carbon. Total overkill but it's incredible to ride. It's not particularly light (despite the carbon construction and blingy bits) but it doesn't feel heavy when you're riding it and it climbs better on rough terrain than any other FS bike that I've ridden. Possibly not the ideal bikepacking tool but I hope to try it if I'm lucky enough to see the other side of C-19.
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I've a Specialized Epic (2018) - weight when I bought it was circa 25 lbs (12kg) but with a few lighter bits it's now circa 23 lbs (10.5kg ish). Got some more bits in mind to get it to 10kg...
Specialized Epic by Steve Large, on Flickr
It is a fast bike - Mike rode it briefly at Llandegla recently and was blown away by it. I swapped to his 26inch Yeti and couldn't believe how old and slow it felt. It will become my bikepacking bike when I've changed the brakes and gears to Hope and Shimano (as the cables are parallel with the bars so the bar harness will fit)
Specialized Epic by Steve Large, on Flickr
It is a fast bike - Mike rode it briefly at Llandegla recently and was blown away by it. I swapped to his 26inch Yeti and couldn't believe how old and slow it felt. It will become my bikepacking bike when I've changed the brakes and gears to Hope and Shimano (as the cables are parallel with the bars so the bar harness will fit)
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In fairness Steve, it has got 23lb of glue holding the rear end together these daysI swapped to his 26inch Yeti and couldn't believe how old and slow it felt.
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Thats just epic Steve.... see what i did there...slarge wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:54 pm I've a Specialized Epic (2018) - weight when I bought it was circa 25 lbs (12kg) but with a few lighter bits it's now circa 23 lbs (10.5kg ish). Got some more bits in mind to get it to 10kg...
Specialized Epic by Steve Large, on Flickr
It is a fast bike - Mike rode it briefly at Llandegla recently and was blown away by it. I swapped to his 26inch Yeti and couldn't believe how old and slow it felt. It will become my bikepacking bike when I've changed the brakes and gears to Hope and Shimano (as the cables are parallel with the bars so the bar harness will fit)
You are the master of light bikes steve (Gians kona is close).
That spesh is 1kg lighter than my ti hardtail which has 1x xt, carbon/dt front wheel and stans arch / dt rear wheel. SID forks and carbon bars...
If i ever get to my target body weight of 85kg i may treat myself to some slightly lighter wheels for that.
What we're all saying here is that heavier bikes feel heavier to pedal...
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Dave... isn't it meant to be the wheels... Heavier wheels/tires feel heavier to pedal
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Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:23 pmIn fairness Steve, it has got 23lb of glue holding the rear end together these daysI swapped to his 26inch Yeti and couldn't believe how old and slow it felt.
It was more the geometry - the little wheel is tucked under the front end, and it felt like I was perched on it rather than in it......
"Thats just epic Steve.... see what i did there...
You are the master of light bikes steve (Gians kona is close).
That spesh is 1kg lighter than my ti hardtail which has 1x xt, carbon/dt front wheel and stans arch / dt rear wheel. SID forks and carbon bars...
If i ever get to my target body weight of 85kg i may treat myself to some slightly lighter wheels for that."
Thanks Dave, it's the racer in me, plus as I'm on the slighter side of stocky, a light bike is just so much easier to haul around......
Don't be too hasty with light wheels - I trashed the superlight carbon rim on it's first outing (3 big dings on the rim). Expensive error that!
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Nah, i have limits for my size on wheels mate,
Perhaps ill swap it for a long forked hardtail, that'll fix it right
Perhaps ill swap it for a long forked hardtail, that'll fix it right
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Great timing on this topicslarge wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:54 pm I've a Specialized Epic (2018) - weight when I bought it was circa 25 lbs (12kg) but with a few lighter bits it's now circa 23 lbs (10.5kg ish). Got some more bits in mind to get it to 10kg...
Specialized Epic by Steve Large, on Flickr
It is a fast bike - Mike rode it briefly at Llandegla recently and was blown away by it. I swapped to his 26inch Yeti and couldn't believe how old and slow it felt. It will become my bikepacking bike when I've changed the brakes and gears to Hope and Shimano (as the cables are parallel with the bars so the bar harness will fit)
I was just away to drop the ball on a new mtb after selling my old anthem.
but cant decide weather to go hard tail or xc full sus.
the epic caught my eye as there was a great deal on one and it gets great reviews.
Slarge is yours the comp carbon model?
the other option was a scott spark which looks very similar to the anthem.
I have a gravel bike and rigid ss so i suppose full sus is the way to go
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Robbie,
yes, it's the carbon comp model. I love it, as long as the rear shock is set up correctly (it clonks if it isn't), but it is very easy to set up. It's a real mile muncher and speed machine, and whilst not a downhiller it's me that holds it back. Scott Spark or Orbea Oiz are excellent alternatives, but this was the right price (I bought it 2nd hand from a friend who's a bike shop owner, who then got another one for himself as Specialized sold them off).
yes, it's the carbon comp model. I love it, as long as the rear shock is set up correctly (it clonks if it isn't), but it is very easy to set up. It's a real mile muncher and speed machine, and whilst not a downhiller it's me that holds it back. Scott Spark or Orbea Oiz are excellent alternatives, but this was the right price (I bought it 2nd hand from a friend who's a bike shop owner, who then got another one for himself as Specialized sold them off).
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I meant to add - mine is the Comp model, but I'm slowly getting it to S-Works equivalent spec. Thomson seatpost and light saddle took about 1 lb out, then carbon wheels and lighter tyres another lb. Removed the standard bottle cage (and multitool bracket) took some more out, then I'll be replacing brakes and gears to take some more out. Considering the S-Works is £7,500 (yes, 7,500!!!!) I'll be spending less than half that.....
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if thats sram nx on it then the biggest weight saving on the groupset is the cassete. the other groupset bits aren't worth upgrading unless u really want.
carbon handlebar. foam grips?
if thats sram nx on it then the biggest weight saving on the groupset is the cassete. the other groupset bits aren't worth upgrading unless u really want.
carbon handlebar. foam grips?
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Silicone booty?
So, I use those boots too. Are they really silicone? On one set (on the long travel bike with XX1 cranks) the original ones, on the other (Kona with X01 cranks) some from Raceface. Once in a while they crack open and I've also lost them in the mountains, but they surely help fend off most of the visual damage. Still the rest of the crank arms are well chipped. My Alu and steel cranks used to look poor show too, but the chipping of the clear coat just shows more.
What rub?
I used to cover the arm in vinyl, but as it just got messy after few rides, peeled of where rocks had struck, I stopped bothering altogether and am waiting for them to snap...
There definately is a difference in use of such exposed carbon parts. Carbon is more susceptible to abrasion than any other crank material.
I find it helps more than otherwise when climbing. Rode two bikes back to back with -1.5 and -2 ° anglesets and both needed less body language to keep the front down, when climbing silly steep stuff. Yet when the uphills are really techy, the steering needs a bit more attention. In my experience it's a win though.
Ask yourself if you'd feel any difference if you were blind testing. Give a similar weight, geo and same tyres on a rigid and on a (well working obviously) fs with lockout and you may not feel any difference. Even just 0.2 bar less pressure will make a bigger difference.Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:11 pm I did say, the issue most likely lay with me and not suspension Gian
Also there's this misconception (not putting these words into your mouth), that hardtails are laterally stiffer than fs bikes, yet the softest frame I ever had was a ti hardtail and the stiffest frame a carbon one. It's not quite black and white.
Sorry to disappoint you, my words didn't come with emotions. As someone, with whom I rarely agree but do in this case, once said "facts don't have emotions".
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My own bike is completely stripped awaiting two pivot bearings and set of replacement fork seals. Pic of parts strewn about doesn't really show its full glory, so here's an internet sourced pic instead.
Technical info: Two wheels with tyres, lots of black and/or silver bits, gravity has no problem holding it down (unless I want air of course).
Climbs as well as I do, descends better.
My own bike is completely stripped awaiting two pivot bearings and set of replacement fork seals. Pic of parts strewn about doesn't really show its full glory, so here's an internet sourced pic instead.
Technical info: Two wheels with tyres, lots of black and/or silver bits, gravity has no problem holding it down (unless I want air of course).
Climbs as well as I do, descends better.
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This has turned into a full sus versus owt else thread
I went through all iterations up to an Orange 5 in 2008. I went rigid in 2012. It was nowt to do with whats best, just what I fancied. I got bored with blasting down any gnarly descent you could shake a stick at without any significant challenge other than to see how fast you could go. Rigid was a way of slowing right up and making things harder, therefore more challenging and longer lasting...
I do occasionally eye up the Orange Stage 5 and 6 however..... and sometimes I go into the shed and look at my old patriot frame and think hmmm....
I went through all iterations up to an Orange 5 in 2008. I went rigid in 2012. It was nowt to do with whats best, just what I fancied. I got bored with blasting down any gnarly descent you could shake a stick at without any significant challenge other than to see how fast you could go. Rigid was a way of slowing right up and making things harder, therefore more challenging and longer lasting...
I do occasionally eye up the Orange Stage 5 and 6 however..... and sometimes I go into the shed and look at my old patriot frame and think hmmm....