Careful where you go bikepacking

Verena · Post by **Verena** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:56 pm

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... y-offences

Feeding birds, swearing, and napping in public

RIP · Post by **RIP** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:03 am

Well spotted Verena! I'm doomed - I do all those things to excess. MIL lives in Welwyn Hatfield. Next time I take her out for a walk I must make extra sure that I don't nod off with her ramblings about "it was better in my day"

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voodoo_simon · Post by **voodoo_simon** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:18 am

It’s outrageous that they fine rough sleepers, what will they think of next? Fine people for begging, oh the irony…

fatbikephil · Post by **fatbikephil** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:57 am

I'm intrigued that you lot down there have allowed the government to grant such powers to the council

Nowt like that up here, all we can do is book people for parking in the wrong place or fine people who let their dog poop. The cops do the rest....

I can't imagine any council would be happy about enforcing such nonsense as the grief to income ratio would be vast!

faustus · Post by **faustus** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:04 am

Nothing like dealing with the right priorities - could as easily be said for councils harassing rough sleepers, as it is for government focussing on small boat crossings and culture war skirmishes.

Bearbonesnorm · Post by **Bearbonesnorm** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:06 am

I'm struggling to understand why, if approached and told to pay a fine, you would (a) give your correct details and (b) simply not shrug and walk off but not before saying "what you gonna do, tell me dad".

ton · Post by **ton** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:17 am

i agree with Stuart.
if i was doing any of the 'crimes' and was approached by a council official, i am sorry but i would tell them to go away. nicely obviously.

on a similar note, there is a lake near us, where people go open water swimming, and have done for years.
recently signs have been put up saying no swimming.
a friend was getting in the water a few week ago, when a bloke approached and told him it was illegal to swim there. my mate asked him 'how'.
the bloke couldnt answer my mate. but still insisted.my pal told him to ring the police,and continued with his swim.

fatbikephil · Post by **fatbikephil** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:25 am

Hmm, it all smacks of Daily hate readers lobbying the Westminster muppet show (apologies to muppets) to get all these oiks off the street, who then pass the buck onto the Council, who then get lobbied by Daily hate readers to enforce it. Got to love democracy...

boxelder · Post by **boxelder** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:46 am

How do you prove somebody was napping?

RIP · Post by **RIP** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:59 am

boxelder wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:46 am How do you prove somebody was napping?

Ah well that opens the whole bivvying can of worms

. Why is it OK to sleep in public during the day but not at night? No difference whatsoever.

All of this apparent ridiculousness is about insidious creeping control and deflection. Blame the bivviers and the boat people and people will miss the massive elephant in the room.

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:27 pm

recently signs have been put up saying no swimming.

Possibly just so the landowner cannot be held responsible if someone drowns as they took " reasonable steps ? Guessing though.

riderdown · Post by **riderdown** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:57 pm

i was doing any of the 'crimes' and was approached by a council official, i am sorry but i would tell them to go away. nicely obviously.

As understand it, even if the offence they are for details for isn't arrestable not providing your details is. They'll be used to people doing what you are proposing to do and probably have a PC around to support.

Simpler to appeal the notice

jameso · Post by **jameso** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:15 pm

Little Britain

riderdown · Post by **riderdown** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:33 pm

Little Britain

If you compare the UK to US and Canada they are far worse, not mowing your lawn, wrong plants, not clearing the sidewalk. Lots of minor local bylaws

jameso · Post by **jameso** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:51 pm

Still, I amused myself with the idea of OAPs running amok full of Red Bull, after trying to avoid being fined for dozing off in the park.

macinblack · Post by **macinblack** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:38 pm

Solutions exist...

boxelder · Post by **boxelder** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:05 pm

Just checked local byelaws, and in Keswick you're in trouble for:
a) failing to wear beanie and puffer jacket combo for at least 6 months of the year
b) walking without a sheepdog

I'd add using the terms 'mint pal' and 'reaching out' in public if it were up to me.

riderdown · Post by **riderdown** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:33 pm

Whatever the merits of PSPOs you do dispair sometimes https://road.cc/content/news/cyclist-fi ... tre-302721

voodoo_simon · Post by **voodoo_simon** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:31 am

boxelder wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:05 pm Just checked local byelaws, and in Keswick you're in trouble for:
a) failing to wear beanie and puffer jacket combo for at least 6 months of the year
b) walking without a sheepdog

I'd add using the terms 'mint pal' and 'reaching out' in public if it were up to me.

Used to be Ronhills for north wales, couldn’t get past the border guards without them on

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