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Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:21 pm
by fatbikephil
There is nowt at Achfary but a few houses and an estate office so not sure what he stayed in. The irony is the far North west doesn't usually get much snow, particularly at this time of year... Wind is due to rise tomorrow too, albeit from the northwest so behind him. But add drifting snow into the equation and it's looking pretty marginal for a traverse of the great Wilderness!

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 3:45 pm
by Alexinthepeaks
I see from his Instagram that he has bailed. He is sat in a Dr surgery in Lochniver with frost bitten toes. Fair play - must have been super tough! I am struggling o ride for more than 2 hours in -8!

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:06 pm
by ScotRoutes
I've just seen that the Lairg - Tongue road has been closed due to drifting snow.

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 7:51 pm
by riderdown
He is sat in a Dr surgery in Lochniver with frost bitten toes.
Ouch

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:44 pm
by fatbikephil
Fair play for giving it a go :-bd
Fairly exceptional weather for December these days - quite often get snow and cold but not this much. Interestingly, Lochaber still only has a dusting of snow.
December 9/10 and 10/11 were worse but these were 1:200 year events. What Annie LE experienced last year was probably more typical - pishing rain and wind!
I suspect early March is a better time for a winter attempt - more daylight and a chance of consolidated snow which could actually make the trails easier (if you have a fat bike)

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:33 pm
by woodsmith
fatbikephil wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:44 pm
I suspect early March is a better time for a winter attempt - more daylight and a chance of consolidated snow which could actually make the trails easier (if you have a fat bike)
Would March not make it a spring attempt, meterological winter being Dec, Jan and Feb?

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:49 pm
by fatbikephil
I'd play the "Spring starts on the 21st of March" card! So thinking about it, it's still officially Autumn :grin:
(To be clear I've no intention of doing a winter HT. I do fancy a winter Cairngorms loop though)

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:54 pm
by whitestone
woodsmith wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:33 pm
fatbikephil wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:44 pm
I suspect early March is a better time for a winter attempt - more daylight and a chance of consolidated snow which could actually make the trails easier (if you have a fat bike)
Would March not make it a spring attempt, meterological winter being Dec, Jan and Feb?
There's a few definitions of "winter", the big three UK fell running rounds use meteorological winter, i.e. 1st Dec to the last day of Feb. Alpine winter season is 20th Dec to 20th March (from memory - Gian might correct me)

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:28 pm
by Alpinum
whitestone wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:54 pm There's a few definitions of "winter", the big three UK fell running rounds use meteorological winter, i.e. 1st Dec to the last day of Feb. Alpine winter season is 20th Dec to 20th March (from memory - Gian might correct me)
I guess most go for meteotological winter (based on average temperatures of months) rather than astronomical (winter solstice to spring equinox), but it's still an unsettled dispute. I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen more in bikepacking and other outdoor activities too, where a 'winter first' has some sort of importance to a few sorry souls.

In the Alps, Bernese Oberland, Valais, Massif du Mt. Blanc, where I spent most of my winter climbing, winter always was considered by meteo. I never came across anything else. Despite chances for some cold days and harsh weather in March, in general it feels tamer; Winter literally edges off in March. More daylight, fading winter storms, warmer temperatures, often better conditions in high alt., more snow (often, but not always easier access). Yeah, it's quite a bit easier in March and that's where the main difference is.

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:34 pm
by Alpinum
fatbikephil wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:49 pm I'd play the "Spring starts on the 21st of March" card! So thinking about it, it's still officially Autumn :grin:
(To be clear I've no intention of doing a winter HT. I do fancy a winter Cairngorms loop though)
Been to the wilder areas of Scotland around x-mas/hogmanay and had both.
-10 °C, calm weather, crisp and everything frozen. Then a couple of days later 160 km/h wind, 4 °C and rain. Of course the water from the rain and thaw wouldn't drain into the frozen ground. Was a proper mess.
Our feet got a lot of attention...

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:03 am
by whitestone
Here's what we use as a definition -http://www.bobgrahamclub.org.uk/index.php?page=winter, purely artificial of course as is any attempt by humans to pigeon hole such things.

There's actually someone attempting it now, he set off at 1900 last night so should be past halfway by now. Solo, unsupported, no tracker. Currently -4 in Ambleside and -8 in Keswick. Definitely at the clear and nippy end of the UK winter spectrum.

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:48 pm
by Alexinthepeaks
I logged -12 on the top of shining tor in the peak district last night

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:28 pm
by fatbikephil
https://torridonblog.sais.gov.uk/2022/1 ... -torridon/
I think Steve Bates dodged a seriously bad situation by not continuing - this would have been horrendous to drag a bike through and likely for most of Fisherfield as well as Torridon....
Plus he's arrived back in Lochaber today in time for a huge dump of snow to clobber the whole west coast:- https://glencoeblog.sais.gov.uk/2022/12 ... showers-2/

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:30 pm
by Richpips

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:26 am
by psling
Thanks for that Rich, that is an eye-opening tale of determination, a great read.

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 6:22 pm
by fatbikephil
Cheers Rich for that. Interesting comparing his tale with our armchair commentary - I think we were pretty close!
Worth reading his kit list too - a few pointers to add to our various cold weather threads.

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:14 pm
by whitestone
Interesting write up.

On reading this:
Weaving through peat hags was less so. The driving snow still giving me problems with visibility, and I did the best I could to weave my way through the hags and drifts. All of a sudden, I felt weightless, my bike light as a feather. It didn’t last long as I crashed into the snow-covered hag below me.
I reckoned quite a few on here might know the exact one :lol:

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:53 pm
by fatbikephil
Aye, I thought that too :grin: I'm going for the forward roll next year

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:35 pm
by Richpips
Interesting that the big powerbank(s) wouldn't charge his stuff.

I've found similar with a dynamo setup, that will only charge small batteries and not the biggies.

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:10 am
by redefined_cycles
Thanks v much Rich...

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 5:40 pm
by fatbikephil
Richpips wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:35 pm Interesting that the big powerbank(s) wouldn't charge his stuff.

I've found similar with a dynamo setup, that will only charge small batteries and not the biggies.
I guess that you rarely experience temps that low, even in Scotland so most of the time it isn't problem. ITI types seem to stick to lithium ultimate AA's for everything.
I also noted his issues with AXS batteries - not something a well oiled cable will suffer from...

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:38 pm
by ScotRoutes
Scotty Laughland has just uploaded his latest on YouTube. It's the Dundonnel - Poolewe route that features on the HT550 and many will recognise the area from photos.

I've yet to complete the whole crossing, though I'll be running it (yes - not taking a bike) in August.

https://youtu.be/KTY_Nfym9PQ

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 8:59 am
by sean_iow
When I did it the route was the Postman's Path but from my memory I seemed to be pushing more than riding, I think there's a real possibility I could run it faster than 'ride' it :lol:

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:18 pm
by boxelder
I'll be running it
Doubt you'll run much from Croftown/Inverbroom to Loch an Fhiona. 400m climbing in 1.5Km. At least you won't be pushing a 'baggage cart'

Re: HT550 2023

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:06 pm
by ScotRoutes
boxelder wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:18 pm
I'll be running it
Doubt you'll run much from Croftown/Inverbroom to Loch an Fhiona. 400m climbing in 1.5Km. At least you won't be pushing a 'baggage cart'
Wrong track!