Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:51 am
Did anyone else notice these? Looks like a neat (and secure) alternative to the zip tie and jubilee clip methods. [https://www.tailfin.cc/product/cargo-cage-system/sfm/]
https://bearbonesbikepacking.co.uk/phpBB3/
Tailfin fork mounts.
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Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:02 pm
Thanks for sharing as I wasn't aware of these. I notice that the cargo cages are only able to be fitted using 2 of the 3 holes but imagine that should be plenty, as one won't be looking to put loads of weight down there.
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:57 pm
But £50!!!
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:27 pm
That’s a whole lotta (cake/beer/insert whatever else takes your fancy)
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:49 pm
Not tried them, but I'd imagine cable cleats would do a reasonable job and dirt cheap. Fairly soft plastic, so kind to frames. Sizes from about 12mm (No.5) up to big-as-you-like.
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:47 am
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:58 am
Four 8mm cable ties and the gorilla cages off here = much cheapness and will do the job just as well
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:24 am
I've just found a box full of 2 bolt Gorilla Clips if anyone's interested. The quick release fittings can be removed and a normal cage fitted with the twist of a 5mm allen key and they can be mounted to bars, downtubes etc with the addition of the supplied backing clip.
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:40 am
I used these on the Tour Divide with zipties.Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:24 am I've just found a box full of 2 bolt Gorilla Clips if anyone's interested. The quick release fittings can be removed and a normal cage fitted with the twist of a 5mm allen key and they can be mounted to bars, downtubes etc with the addition of the supplied backing clip.
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:06 pm
Yes please Stu - shall I order via the website?Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:24 am I've just found a box full of 2 bolt Gorilla Clips if anyone's interested. The quick release fittings can be removed and a normal cage fitted with the twist of a 5mm allen key and they can be mounted to bars, downtubes etc with the addition of the supplied backing clip.
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:08 pm
I'll do you a deal. How many do you want Steve?
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:18 pm
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:48 pm
Those work out about the same price as the stainless Tailfin ones for the larger sizes plus the Tailfin ones are a (fairly) universal fit for different diameter forks and they allow the mounting of multiple cages to each pair of mounts. Still fairly pricey and a niche product I'll grant you.Mactheknife68 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:18 pm These from drj0n bagworks
https://wildcat.cc/collections/accessor ... n-barnacle
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:56 pm
Fair point indeed was looking at the eye watering price of the carbon Tailfin ones
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:01 pm
Yeah, they are silly money.Mactheknife68 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:56 pm Fair point indeed was looking at the eye watering price of the carbon Tailfin ones
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:33 pm
Maybe I'm just being a grouch, but Tailfin products seem like very expensive solutions to problems that don't really exist. How many jubilee clips can you but for 50 quid?
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:58 am
P clips at Hipster pricesJurassic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:51 am Did anyone else notice these?....
... alternative to the zip tie and jubilee clip methods. [https://www.tailfin.cc/product/cargo-cage-system/sfm/]
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:39 am
Interested... How much?Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:24 am I've just found a box full of 2 bolt Gorilla Clips if anyone's interested. The quick release fittings can be removed and a normal cage fitted with the twist of a 5mm allen key and they can be mounted to bars, downtubes etc with the addition of the supplied backing clip.
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:41 am
Get in touch.Interested... How much?
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:59 pm
Ok, so I found this comment on the radavist site in connection with these:
Quote:
"I've looked for inverted forks for mounting these types of things, so that the additional weight on the fork is suspended. If the goal is to smooth out washboards and high-frequency bumps on a long gravel trip, adding unsuspended weight to the fork will compromise that ability."
So if the above is a valid comment, what is the best way to have the extra weight of items/cages etc suspended versus unsuspended? Sorry if this is a stupid question but please enlighten me, especially as I'm keen to know the best way of ironing out washboards on longer trips
Quote:
"I've looked for inverted forks for mounting these types of things, so that the additional weight on the fork is suspended. If the goal is to smooth out washboards and high-frequency bumps on a long gravel trip, adding unsuspended weight to the fork will compromise that ability."
So if the above is a valid comment, what is the best way to have the extra weight of items/cages etc suspended versus unsuspended? Sorry if this is a stupid question but please enlighten me, especially as I'm keen to know the best way of ironing out washboards on longer trips
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:39 pm
It is valid, the less unsuspended weight the better. Adding weight to the lowers of a trad sus fork won't help it move as fast as it needs to for washboard type bumps. There was a bike at this year's Concours des Machines that used an upside-down fork with bags and cages on the upper suspended sections. A better way to do it if you're riding at enough pace to really value or need the suspension to work as well as it can.Teaman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:59 pm Ok, so I found this comment on the radavist site in connection with these:
Quote:
"I've looked for inverted forks for mounting these types of things, so that the additional weight on the fork is suspended. If the goal is to smooth out washboards and high-frequency bumps on a long gravel trip, adding unsuspended weight to the fork will compromise that ability."
So if the above is a valid comment, what is the best way to have the extra weight of items/cages etc suspended versus unsuspended? Sorry if this is a stupid question but please enlighten me, especially as I'm keen to know the best way of ironing out washboards on longer trips
A Lauf fork should probably handle washboard better than a hydraulically damped fork. Or a Cannondale Lefty - always impressed by how low the stiction can be with that design plus they're really stiff/accurate.
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:40 pm
When they say 'suspended' they mean sprung. Weight which is supported by the suspension is sprung weight and that's okay(ish) but weight which isn't supported by the suspension is 'unsprung' and that is a bad thing. There's a point on the fork that could be considered the cross over point - weight above is okay but weight below isn't. However, given the relatively low speed of pushbikes, it's kind of a mute point and will make very little real world difference.
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:44 pm
I think they're talking about adding sprung weight as opposed to unsprung weight. If you add cages to conventional suspension fork lowers you're adding weight to the bit that's moving up and down which in theory will compromise suspension performance. In reality I doubt most people would notice much difference. I had cargo cages on the Bluto forks on my fat bike for a while when I used to bikepack on a fat bike and I couldn't detect much difference tbh. Blutos are pretty numb forks at the best of times though so maybe it'd be more obvious on more supple forks.
Re: Tailfin fork mounts.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:03 pm
If it's on the fork lowers then it's largely unsprung weight. Even the lower part of the spring itself is considered to be unsprung.I think they're talking about adding sprung weight as opposed to unsprung weight.