ledburner wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:31 am I have used buffalo type clothing and paramo. I now have a shell waterproof,

I have used shell waterproofs... I now have a Paramo

It’s the only thing in the confusions described that has ever kept me dry.

I run pretty hot and am a sweaty beggar. I can be comfy in quite low temps in a T and shorts (though I'm no Geordie-lass ).

Anyhow, this is a crappy characteristic when pedaling or yomping hard and then stopping for a breather, particularly if exposed or in windy conditions.

I guess the only point is that I don't need the rain to get chilly

I've tried most combinations of wet weather clothing, I find it
Has to be seriously cold to wear Buffalo gear, but it is excellent stuff,
I use a pair of Teclite trousers for insulation and my toasty Mitts, the
Teclites are too warm too ride in though but fold up small and you can
Put them on quick, my hero clothing item is a Paramo fuera smock, I've got
2 but the wife pinches one, really versatile item, also a Torres gilet, warm
And packable again, I use merino underlayers if it's cold under my normal
Cycling wear. If we're talking serious weather, my top layer is a an old Velez
Smock, a bit bulky but bombproof, I just rewash in Nikwax from time to time
I've never had a better Mountain jacket.

ledburner wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:31 am I have used buffalo type clothing and paramo. I now have a shell waterproof,

Edit: I also carry a shell waterproof.
parmo & buffalo are brilliant work as a fleece d wind proof. and also handle rain.... but if it smiling it down...

Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:26 pm Always worth bearing in mind (especially if you consider a water resistant garment to be the same as waterproof), that you cool about 5 times faster if wet than you would if dry everything else being equal.

My first bivi, deluge first night sleeping bag got wet, as trailstar tarp almost blew away. saturated ground, floating in bathtub inner, peg ripped. woke up 2nd time. tent still there, all gear damp. but a better day & met ericrobo:-bd . I rode all day but no chance to dry gear, it turned damp in evenning into dry gear, hot food d drinks but tired and started to chill. into full waterproofs, and damp bag u der tarp. it eventually dried out. first hour quiet I felt quiet cold but improved. I called cavalry, "I'm not going to drive out the to collect you mide week. feta hot breakfast. it your adventure ." Type 2 support, like type 2 fun!
it was cold & very wet next day so I did road miles.
since I had bulkier and heavier synthetic clothing d sleeping bag. they still kept me warm, I doubt this would have been the case with down hydro repellant or not.
Backpackinglight.com did an article on 'IMPACT OF WIND ON INSULATION Loft author Jerry adams' 'high performance down and loose fibre insulation layers. in high wind they discovered. the wind can depress the layers to a magnitudes of deceased thermal efficency. this not the case with polar type fleece. cheaper bulkier but most effective.
that puts a spanner in the Marketing works.