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How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:05 pm
by redefined_cycles
Maybe not the right place for it (MYOG:Make your own gear), but any ideas...

Its the waterproof material same/similar to the Apidura waterproof packs. And need to glue/join it to the steel (italian Columbus I'll have you know... built by a very posh man that hardly smiles, I'll have you know) top tube.

Been using velcro previously but that doesn't last too long and have decided to go all out. Just don't wanna end ip with a mess of bag and frame...

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Mind the background wallpaper... Not sure who on earth would put that there...

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:38 pm
by Ray Young
Seems a bit of a drastic measure, I wouldn't be glueing anything to a bike like that. There must be a better.

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:44 pm
by redefined_cycles
Ray Young wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:38 pm Seems a bit of a drastic measure, I wouldn't be glueing anything to a bike like that. There must be a better.
Ray... I've put lots of thought into it and I reckon they've played together for long enough that I reckon they will live happily ever after. It was called Legend by Bertoletti but I've renamed it Egen :grin: so they shouldn't find too much.

Besides, on earlier experimentation I've cut away the strap gaps underneath the welded bag so it'll only be going to waste otherwise :-bd

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Egen by Bertoletti (wonder what 'The Legend' would feel about that :lol: ... I'm second or 3rd owner btw so only paid about £400 from the (dishonest) fleabay seller. Can confirm that its an overengineered beauty and also that it rides absolutely lovely... Best of all, it fits plus (road) sized tires...

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:47 pm
by Ray Young
A permanent solution would be to tap some water bottle mounts into the tube then bolt the bag on. Plastic washers would probably stop water ingress. Other than that I'd be trying different bags first.

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:53 pm
by Ray Young
What about double sided tape, easier to remove than glue.

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:54 pm
by redefined_cycles
Good point. But the water ingress thing is a pertinent one for me. Have been using that bag for over a year now and its been through torrentials many a time. Don't wanna risk the waterproof on it as I keep my electricals in there sometimes as an emwgency bag. Hence won't be cutting/making holes in it at the mo.

One way that might increase the options (as well as protect the frame) of stickability would be to add some helicopter (different brand but its really good and doenst discolour) tape to the TT.

Haven't paintwd over the logo (LEGEND) btw... Its just electrical tape so paints still undisturbed (from me)...

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:58 pm
by redefined_cycles
Ray Young wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:53 pm What about double sided tape, easier to remove than glue.
Hmmm.. The standard stuff doesn't seem to fare well on this material (the welded waterproof bag). It was the 3m stuff also that I've been using before (as mushroom velcro with VHB - very high bond) but over time the weather just makes it fall apart...

Thanks btw :-bd

I think I've tried the hot glue gun with original (loctite) in there which doesn't adgere to the bag either...

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:00 pm
by Cheeky Monkey
Velcro strip. Half stuck to bag, t'other stuck to frame. Allows a bit of flexibility and means you don't always have a shriveled scrotum of a TT bag in your sight line. Plus, when the zip goes, it'll require less drastic measures to replace.

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:01 pm
by ScotRoutes
You could try some McNett Seam Seal to stick velcro to it. That might do the trick.

I can't say I'm overly keen on the idea of gluing it to the frame either. Anything that works well will be a bastard to remove. .

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:03 pm
by woodsmith
How about several strong( Neoddymium ?) inside the bag to trap the bag twixt magnet and frame.

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:08 pm
by redefined_cycles
woodsmith wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:03 pm How about several strong( Neoddymium ?) inside the bag to trap the bag twixt magnet and frame.
You bloomin genius you.

Thanks a bakers dozen (is that the bigger dozen?).

Neodiddium... wonder what sort of magnet that is he thinks to himself. Sounds like I'll not be storing keys in there then...

Got a link?

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:11 pm
by ScotRoutes

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:12 pm
by Bearlegged
Sounds like I'll not be storing keys in there then...
The magnets might stop them rattling about. Win/win. Maybe best to keep your bank cards somewhere else though?

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:13 pm
by woodsmith
Found these. Haven't any personal experience with these particular ones

. https://www.first4magnets.com/circular- ... 4#t55:t137

The magnets out of out hard drives are super strong and very thin too.

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:16 pm
by redefined_cycles
Thanks Colin... :-bd

Cheeky Monkey
shrivelled scrotum of a tt bag
:lol: how dare you... Its the finest Crikey, how much grade (idea potentially nicked from Apidura) of loveliness I'll have you know :smile:

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:20 pm
by redefined_cycles
For refrence... If I'd have known of the neodidium (whatever its written as) I could've maybe gottne away by atttaching them beneath the straps (1 you can see, the others were cut off over the years/years)...

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(Last couple of 3m VHB mushroom velcro strips just removed by peeling away... no residue)

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:22 pm
by redefined_cycles
Woodsmith, 'Crikey How Much' = R.a.P.h.@

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:26 pm
by Ray Young
Magnets, genius solution, :-bd

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:43 pm
by UnderTheRadars
Magnets? I wouldn’t be putting your phone in there

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:46 pm
by redefined_cycles
UnderTheRadars wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:43 pm Magnets? I wouldn’t be putting your phone in there
Would be a rather fine experiment would it not... :-bd thanks for the heads up...

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:56 pm
by slarge
silicon bathroom sealant - in black obviously. If you really want to it will come off, but most of the time it will be solid. Won't damage the paint either

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:14 pm
by Bearbonesnorm
My only words on the subject are - Shaf, you know what you're like for changing your mind :wink:

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:19 pm
by redefined_cycles
Bearbonesnorm wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:14 pm My only words on the subject are - Shaf, you know what you're like for changing your mind :wink:
Hmmm... I prefer to look at it as 'seeking out the best'and boldy go where noone has gone before..

I take your point and will stick (no pun) to the magnets.

For reference of what stuart says... I have had my Sonder Transmitter for (since) 2018 now. Admittedly it took about a year to accumulate and build. The steely I have now had for about a year and I had a carbon bike for 5000 miles :-bd

Besides... Crikey, how much is for life, not just for eid :smile:

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:53 pm
by johnnystorm
Others have said it, but just for the avoidance of doubt you want to keep your electrical kit dry and also to attach it to the frame with very strong magnets? :o

Re: How to glue this, to this?

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:13 pm
by redefined_cycles
johnnystorm wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:53 pm Others have said it, but just for the avoidance of doubt you want to keep your electrical kit dry and also to attach it to the frame with very strong magnets? :o
Yeah... I suppose its not working out is it... Wheres that silicone gun... Thanks for saying it once again