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but reviews look ok from a comfort point, thought i'd throw that in that's all 
Fixed that.macinblack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:11 pm Not Togs but a bar end inboard is what I mean, though I suppose I could use an accessory bar, as they hinge to fit. I suppose a short spur like a shortened bar end is what I meant.Courtesy of techno mailMaybe these would do: https://www.sq-lab.com/shop/en/New-prod ... s-411.html
There's a few different ones on eBay around £10-£15 from UK and China shaf.redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:36 pm I have some standard Giant ones presently. They work ace and lovely. If I could I would change em for carbon ones only so the cold weather wouldn't affect em (affecting my hands) as much...
If you did find some nice economy carbon ones then please do share...
Haha... chinese carbon bar ends... I'd worry they'd break off taking me with em straight of the side of some mountaintechno mail wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:18 pmThere's a few different ones on eBay around £10-£15 from UK and China shaf.redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:36 pm I have some standard Giant ones presently. They work ace and lovely. If I could I would change em for carbon ones only so the cold weather wouldn't affect em (affecting my hands) as much...
If you did find some nice economy carbon ones then please do share...
Not tried em, but they're there.
although I'm probably just overly cautious 
I'd give it a 90% certainty that any affordable carbon bar ends are made in China/Taiwan.redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:06 amHaha... chinese carbon bar ends... I'd worry they'd break off taking me with em straight of the side of some mountaintechno mail wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:18 pmThere's a few different ones on eBay around £10-£15 from UK and China shaf.redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:36 pm I have some standard Giant ones presently. They work ace and lovely. If I could I would change em for carbon ones only so the cold weather wouldn't affect em (affecting my hands) as much...
If you did find some nice economy carbon ones then please do share...
Not tried em, but they're there.
Lol... I know. But pretty certain the quality control is maybe at least 20 percent betterer on the Stan and other named brands...techno mail wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:22 amI'd give it a 90% certainty that any affordable carbon bar ends are made in China/Taiwan.redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:06 amHaha... chinese carbon bar ends... I'd worry they'd break off taking me with em straight of the side of some mountaintechno mail wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:18 pmThere's a few different ones on eBay around £10-£15 from UK and China shaf.redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:36 pm I have some standard Giant ones presently. They work ace and lovely. If I could I would change em for carbon ones only so the cold weather wouldn't affect em (affecting my hands) as much...
If you did find some nice economy carbon ones then please do share...
Not tried em, but they're there.
That's where Stan came from shaf
is it not (or as we say in Yorkshire: innit)I'm subscribed to hambini's channel, I think it was on your recommendation actuallyredefined_cycles wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:53 am
Lol... I know. But pretty certain the quality control is maybe at least 20 percent betterer on the Stan and other named brands...
On that note though, Hambini (Aero engjneer who swears alot but tells it how it is in the bike world) recently commented about Canyon being tripe too *(according to his carbon ct scanning partner or something as well as quality control issues in the BB dept). He explained the reasoning for the deterioration in quality (control) being that they wanna make more money so outsource the regular framesets to China but then its too expensive to have em shipped back to Germany to have em QCd properly so...
Anyway, I've made an offer on an ebay carbon barends
*my other frame that I bought with my hardearned (as opposed to ebay lowballling which I've always done) dosh is a Canyon Ultimate. Naturally I was a bit gutted but it did make sense why my Dura Ace (xtr) BB didn't spin freely and constantly with the DA cranks installed. I imagine the carbon BB hole isn't as round as we'd hope... BS
thanks, google failed me.wriggles wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:35 am Sorry Stridsland_journal
https://stridsland.com/
Edit: he calls it the "Suicide Knob" handlebar. Not in production yet
https://stridsland.com/portfolio/suicid ... handlebar/
Yup.. Andrew (testing if I've remembered name correctly)indeed its like gross misconduct. In his latest vid he does explain why it is: cos generally the (whatever dynamics) engineers that aren't good enough to get into the main moneymaking engineerin markets (F1 he quotes but not limited to) end up at cyclings doorstep...techno mail wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:29 amI'm subscribed to hambini's channel, I think it was on your recommendation actuallyredefined_cycles wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:53 am
Lol... I know. But pretty certain the quality control is maybe at least 20 percent betterer on the Stan and other named brands...
On that note though, Hambini (Aero engjneer who swears alot but tells it how it is in the bike world) recently commented about Canyon being tripe too *(according to his carbon ct scanning partner or something as well as quality control issues in the BB dept). He explained the reasoning for the deterioration in quality (control) being that they wanna make more money so outsource the regular framesets to China but then its too expensive to have em shipped back to Germany to have em QCd properly so...
Anyway, I've made an offer on an ebay carbon barends
*my other frame that I bought with my hardearned (as opposed to ebay lowballling which I've always done) dosh is a Canyon Ultimate. Naturally I was a bit gutted but it did make sense why my Dura Ace (xtr) BB didn't spin freely and constantly with the DA cranks installed. I imagine the carbon BB hole isn't as round as we'd hope... BS
good to see cycling topics assessed from a purely engineering standpoint.
from his (extensive) experience it seems QC is fucking terrible with a lot of cycling brands, premium or not.
I'd be more worried about the bars you are clamping them to.redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:06 am Haha... chinese carbon bar ends... I'd worry they'd break off taking me with em straight of the side of some mountain
So, pretty much, a Moloko copy without the cross member then...wriggles wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:35 am Edit: he calls it the "Suicide Knob" handlebar. Not in production yet
https://stridsland.com/portfolio/suicid ... handlebar/
Nope... I dont think (hopefully) there's any reason to worry about these... they're nukeproofs with something akin to a crash warranty. As far as I remember the warranty makws them seems solid as anything non-carbon and certainly the thickness of the carbon seems to stand by that claim...ScotRoutes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:47 amI'd be more worried about the bars you are clamping them to.redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:06 am Haha... chinese carbon bar ends... I'd worry they'd break off taking me with em straight of the side of some mountain
Yup, totally agreed and I hate it. I usually use finger pressure and then try to rotate to gauge the torque. Indeed it is a pain and when I had the Stooge Alu bars briefly it was a sigh of relief when putting the bar ends on em...Tightening a clamp enough to resist any motion but not enough to damage the bar is the challenge.