As per title please if anyone is up for it...

Due to religious preferences there'll be no pubstops or alcohol or ladies (or girls or women... whatever the felame of the species that might be reading prefers to be called )...

So, basically if its a non bivi then probably sunday early and something of around 20 to 30 miles within a 1 hour distance from me (I'm in dewsbury but can drive out to get a good ride in with some good company ). I have a few routes to mind and hopefully Karl and Mart might bite...

If it turns out to be a bivy then I guess I can't do saturday as the missus has plans for me to do some chauffeur-ing but can make sunday day or eve. Happy to work around others. Obviously bring yer pot noodle (that reminds me I needs to grab some more gas canister tomoz)...

Company will hopefully be good and pace can be easily set by the most chilled out rider ... probably me.

So, anyone?

Can’t do this weekend Shaf but it’ll be good to meet up sometime, probably after Xmas for me now.

Excellent... thats ace (anothrr word for excellent in my limited vocab) Shewie... lets say Jan BAM (bivy a month) is with you then fella. I'll bring my walking boots so you don't feel too 'normal activities' sick

Shaf this is bugging me. Genuine question and I may be showing my total ignorance. But I’m struggling with why you can’t ride with women? Would that not have prevented you doing BB200? Or have I missed something?

Dave Barter wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:45 am Shaf this is bugging me. Genuine question and I may be showing my total ignorance. But I’m struggling with why you can’t ride with women? Would that not have prevented you doing BB200? Or have I missed something?

Very good question Dave and sorry for sounding so hardnosed myself. The line gets drawn where its socialising and formal. So for example, at home, when the ladies come over that ain't direct family (mum, sister, auntie etc etc) we dont have free mingling and its a rather formal situation... So at work for example (I'm a nurse and work with rather a few many ladies), it's all fine. But when it comes to play then I'm limited (boys play out with boys and the girls play with the girls) due to my Islam and I'm happy with that

Not sure if that answers your question. To use thw Bearbones200 (or any of the other events I enter with Mcmillan or some of the other hospice chsrity events or otherwise, its not a problem. Cos I'm not actually arranging to ride with any of the female species as such on a (sorry my poor vocab and deyslexia mixed mwans I cant think of thw right word) extracurricular activity level. Hence its all good for me... To add further to that for example, on the BB200 I rode with Cath for a few miles (actually it was probably a few metres as I dont think I managed to keep up for much longer) and it was all good as it was just in passing etc.

Not sure if that answers your question my colourfully-vocabularied friend

Let the record state also that at work, nor do I give hugs and kisses (or otherwise) to my female colleagues and we all get along just fine (with me being the one that doesn't attend any work parties or social events

Thanks for the explanation. I need to read more about Islam. Seems harsh that you can’t ride bikes with certain people under certain conditions.

Dave Barter wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:52 am Thanks for the explanation. I need to read more about Islam. Seems harsh that you can’t ride bikes with certain people under certain conditions.

Fair point Dave. But I live my life under restrictions of which I'm happy and feel that the payback in the next life will be well and truely worth it ... besides, didn't someone really smart once say "harshness is in the head of the beholder"...

redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:37 pm As per title please if anyone is up for it...

Due to religious preferences there'll be no pubstops or alcohol or ladies (or girls or women... whatever the felame of the species that might be reading prefers to be called )...

I don't know what to say about that sentence, it's absolutely outrageous and breaches your code of professional conduct if you are really a nurse! You may just want to re-read 20.2, 20.3, 20.5 and 20.7. Oh, and before you ask, professionally my job role is described in my contract as 'Senior Nurse Manager'.

Replace 'ladies' with any other group in society and see what happens! Or would you be happy with a 'No Muslims' rule on events? Oh, and your explanation is nonsense too.

I haven't really been round here that long, but I do wonder if letting this sort of pseudo-religious bollox go unchallenged is one reason why the huge predominance of posters on internet forums are male?

I'm also a new (male) 'member' here. Whilst accepting the OP's beliefs, my beliefs prevent me from participation in such a restricted outing.

Shaf's beliefs are his beliefs and no one else has to understand them or try and relate them to their own life. I don't think that he has offended anyone by saying upfront that he's unable to ride with women in the context of an organised / pre-arranged ride.

... and just for good measure

Cheddar Man wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2019 5:34 pm

redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:37 pm As per title please if anyone is up for it...

Due to religious preferences there'll be no pubstops or alcohol or ladies (or girls or women... whatever the felame of the species that might be reading prefers to be called )...

I don't know what to say about that sentence, it's absolutely outrageous and breaches your code of professional conduct if you are really a nurse! You may just want to re-read 20.2, 20.3, 20.5 and 20.7. Oh, and before you ask, professionally my job role is described in my contract as 'Senior Nurse Manager'.

Replace 'ladies' with any other group in society and see what happens! Or would you be happy with a 'No Muslims' rule on events? Oh, and your explanation is nonsense too.

I haven't really been round here that long, but I do wonder if letting this sort of pseudo-religious bollox go unchallenged is one reason why the huge predominance of posters on internet forums are male?

TBH it was more the comment on pub stops that had me raising an eyebrow

Sorry everyone. I just try to be upfront. Didn't mean to offend anyone with my beliefs and principles in life

Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2019 6:56 pm Shaf's beliefs are his beliefs and no one else has to understand them or try and relate them to their own life. I don't think that he has offended anyone by saying upfront that he's unable to ride with women in the context of an organised / pre-arranged ride.

I'm offended. It's an outrageous thing to say!

You also need to remember that as member of a regulated profession he doesn't get to have totally 'private' beliefs. If he really is a nurse, he breached section 20.7 of his professional code of conduct, which tells us that we must uphold the reputation of the nursing profession and specifically that we ........

"make sure you do not express your personal beliefs (including political, religious or moral beliefs) to people in an inappropriate way"

So he could be reported to our regulatory body, in just the same way I could be if I organised a ride but specifically said "oh, and just to be clear I don't want any Asians on this ride, I'm sure you all understand." Asking if anyone wants to go on a ride, but not if you're a girl, expresses his religious and moral beliefs in an inappropriate way!

It also rings alarm bells in the context of his work, and providing equal care to both male and female patients.

Being your mate does not mean he can say what he wants, especially as a member of a regulated profession. That is just how it is.

Hi Shaf, I’m in a similar position pal! can’t do this weekend but sometime in January? Al

Obviously the panda didn't work did it.

I'm offended.

As a professional or an indivudual? As a professional, then I don't know much about that and you obviously have the advantage of me. As an individual, then that's down to you. Me, I'll wait and see if any women are actually offended rather than just those offended by proxy.

It also rings alarm bells in the context of his work, and providing equal care to both male and female patients.

In that case, report him.

Being your mate does not mean he can say what he wants, especially as a member of a regulated profession. That is just how it is.

He's not my mate as such. I've only met him once and he seems a very genuine and caring bloke.

gloryhallelujahAl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:37 pm Hi Shaf, I’m in a similar position pal! can’t do this weekend but sometime in January? Al

Thanks Al... there's me and Shewie so fsr and in case my mate Glenn decides to turn up (might be a bit of a shock for him... lol cos he thinks he's just coming for an mtb but he lokes to push his limits)... let me know. Tentative date we're working with is 19th Jan...

Ok Shaf I’ve pencilled in 19th

Cheddar Man wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:08 pm
So he could be reported to our regulatory body, in just the same way I could be if I organised a ride but specifically said "oh, and just to be clear I don't want any Asians on this ride, I'm sure you all understand." Asking if anyone wants to go on a ride, but not if you're a girl, expresses his religious and moral beliefs in an inappropriate way!

It also rings alarm bells in the context of his work, and providing equal care to both male and female patients.

Being your mate does not mean he can say what he wants, especially as a member of a regulated profession. That is just how it is.

So make the call then.
At best Shaf is guilty of clumsy use of written English which is pretty common in online commutation.
Take a break from yourself.
I’m sure we can let his own manager not just some anonymous online commentator, decide whether his care is up to Code.

Cheddar Man's going to be absolutely seething when he finds out about the literally hundreds of women-only rides and events that happen every year. Let's hope, for their sake, none of the women involved are nurses.

Fingers crossed he never catches wind of this too.

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