ZeroDarkBivi wrote:Why the downer with Salsa? Why does it bother you they have identified their brand with 'adventure cycling' (or whatever you want to call it) before the other brands sussed out that might be a profitable market? I suspect they have sold a few bikes on the back of success in many bikepacking races, and other bikes may be as capable,
I must have read too many jokes on here about companies trying to use bikepacking for marketing purposes to take for granted, just how many (BBers) actually go for exactly this. So here I am, surprised to see the amount of Spearfish riders.
There's absolutely nothing on this bike, that makes it more long distance capable than others.
ZeroDarkBivi wrote:but why would you not buy the one with a track record, from a brand invested in our niche hobby?
I rather go test the bikes.
ZeroDarkBivi wrote:I have not owned enough FS bikes to make bold statements on its comparative merits, but this has become my go-to ride from a number of bikes, because it just feels good, and hasn't let me down (yet). I don't ride in particularly demanding terrain, so the geometry hasn't been problematic. As for frame bag capacity, it is very limited, but that's a common problem for most FS bikes, and many are even worse with the shock placement ruling out any frame bag.
I used to ride a bike, which for itself was quite okay. It may have fallen apart, cracked, but that was because I used it for stuff it wasn't really meant. Then I started to test ride a bunch of other bikes and was amazed how much more fun many other bikes were. Almost everything felt better. More balanced, more natural. Now, this testing didn't change the old bikes' characteristics, but my perception and the way I ride. Not riding style, but the way I can translate my riding into the terrain through the bike.
In comparison to many others, that former bike of mine was a sub standard bike. I still rode it much, also took it to UK 3x and rode the Highland Trail twice on it and depending on what you like to ride, I would (maybe…) recommend it to some. But now I know better, I'd not touch it again myself.
Jay will be getting his first FS. I don't see any reason for him to pick a not so fun bike.
Again, bag capacity is very limited and with quite a few decent FS bikes much better.
ZeroDarkBivi wrote:If there is something that rides better, is significantly lighter (my DW, alloy 'fish is just under 11kg, with a normal seat post) and cheaper I would genuinely love to know what that is!
Pick one or a few from those I mentioned prior. There are many more that have the right numbers and more frame space – but I've not ridden them enough to feel able to recommend them (or not).
ZeroDarkBivi wrote:If I had the talent and opportunity to do mainly hard-core riding in the alps, I would almost certainly want something else, but I expect that's not a dream most boners are living.
I'd ride exactly the same short travel bike if I were at home in the UK.
ianpv wrote:Absolutely agree - that's why I specified mixed terrain - I really would not want to ride my bird AM9 on the miles of estate tracks/bits of tarmac on the HT550, even if it would've been fantastic in torridon, where I certainly had to back off on the spearfish in comparison to trips I've had there on bigger bikes (patriot, old bullit). I really don't mind lugging big bikes around if the payoff is worth it, but for many bikepacking routes, especially in the UK, I'm not convinced it is. If I lived in the alps I may be more inclined to go bigger, but I don't unfortunately!
USA, everything is bigger there…
I'd very likely take the same as for the HT550. 100-120 mm FS. Yet, before the first HT I was thinking about taking my Scott Genius LT, just because it was the most long-distance capable bike I had back then (others only DH & fatbike) and I think I would've survived.
That Bird AM9 must be quite the machine and ideal for hammering about in the Alps. Most of us here don't have DH/FR bikes anymore. Our big bikes now are 150-160 mm 29" and some 27.5". Bikes have gotten better and better and closed the gap somewhat to DH bikes. But also in DH there's likely a small jump going to happen soon...