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Joystick or Diablo?

Post by rufus748 » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:19 pm

I'm looking for a new light to supplement my revo. It will normally be used mounted on my helmet and for commuting which is moatly off road.
I'd like something that will also provide adequate light when the revo is only kicking out on two bulbs (mainly backpacking scenario)
From what I've read the Joystick is a tighter 'spot' beam and the Diablo wider.
I can't find a shop that stocks both locally for a comparison.
Any users? Advice?
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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by Chew » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:32 pm

rufus748 wrote:From what I've read the Joystick is a tighter 'spot' beam and the Diablo wider.
I have both (although my Joystick is several years old) and this is what I find.
I'd go for the most powerful one so you can run it at the lowest setting and get the longer burn time.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by jBay » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:50 pm

Diablo - run it on low for long rides
Piggy back battery if high power needs for long periods
Mix and match setting based on ride
Switches automatically to low setting to get you home

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by Taylor » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:25 pm

Have a mk2 Diablo which is very good as a compliment to my revo.
No gripes at all.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by whitestone » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:56 pm

There's a light comparison guide on the Wiggle site where you can view the output side by side: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/sc/lights-comparison-guide (drag the divider left and right to get a feel for each). Bikeradar also do a comparison tool but I'm not sure if the Diablo and Joystick are among the models.
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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by slarge » Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:02 pm

I have a mk10 Joystick and am finding it is only really good enough for off road on the highest setting. On the middle setting it is fine for the road but a bit weak at any other time. It is light though and as a helmet light is hardly noticeable.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by Wotsits » Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:19 pm

Diablo (+ piggy back batt if poss)

I've also got both, although the Joystick is about 6 years old. It's better to have the option of extra light if needed..
I think the only advantage a joystick might have is that it's lighter...in weight i mean, not lumens :grin:

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by u02sgb » Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:21 pm

Joystick mk9 on have a wider beam. Not used mine all that much as a helmet light yet though. Mainly commuting in the pulse mode.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by benp1 » Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:59 pm

I bought a Diablo after needing a new helmet light and seeing Wotsits' in action

I've been very pleased with it so far. Bought it in early November - one bikepacking trip and about half a dozen night rides done with it since, plus a bit of pottering around. Only used off road, have a different helmet and helmet light for road/commuting use

I really like the TAP function, I use that many times on a ride. I bought the Diablo over the axis and joystick as it's brighter, has a slightly higher capacity battery, comes with TAP, and the triple LED up front looks better than the single. I also like that it will make a good bar light too. TAP function comes on the axis, but there isn't a huge difference in price between the two

Equinox wasn't worth the extra for me, and didn't want the faff of a bar mounted switch

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by Richard G » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:36 am

Joystick will do me fine for a general use helmet light (with a much more powerful handlebar light). Only really need it for picking out the details on more technical descents, and most of the rest of the time it's off.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by Justchris » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:00 am

Phil simcock had a diablo for sale I think. On Facebook outdoor exchange or bike&bivi page.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by rufus748 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:30 am

Thanks for the advice.
I'm swaying towards the Diablo as a result of the comments.
I'd like the equinox but can't justify the extra money.
I've looked at the Bike and Bivi page and Phil's is an Equinox, unfortunately still out of my price range.
Thanks guys.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by slowupslowdown-under » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:58 pm

Love my Diablo but if I was starting again I would go for a set of the Chinese ones
After taking my friends out for a spin recently they provide better spill and throw and are a fifth of the cost (after sales service won't be as good as exposure though who have helped with a few probs over the last year or so)

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by ianfitz » Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:29 pm

slowupslowdown-under wrote:Love my Diablo but if I was starting again I would go for a set of the Chinese ones
After taking my friends out for a spin recently they provide better spill and throw and are a fifth of the cost (after sales service won't be as good as exposure though who have helped with a few probs over the last year or so)
Do you have a source for these Pete?
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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by adjustablewench » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:43 pm

Meant to post exactly the same question . . . . Can we have a link please Pete?
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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by Richard G » Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:06 pm

Bumping this for a related question. Does the Axis have any advantage over the Joystick for use as a head torch? Is it generally better to have a more "spotty" beam for head torches or is the wide spread still fairly useful (I'm guessing not). At the moment I just use a Cree torch for most stuff, but I do like the idea of having something a little more versatile.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by Matt » Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:21 pm

Just to add a different perspective.

I've had 3x Chinese ones and they have been good(ish) one of the batteries died on one but at £20-50 a go you can't grumble.

They now don't get used since I bought a Joystick, it's just better....

Burn times you can count on
Sensible modes that you can adjust
Charge in the house without fear of fire....

Exposure all the way....

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by benp1 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:58 pm

Richard - I was using a Diablo when we went on the bothy trip in November

I team it with a chinese bar light (with a battery pack with reliable 18650s). I'd like an exposure one but it's about £300 for something like that

The Axis has the same battery capacity as the Diablo, and functionally is very similar. The only real difference is the power, the Diablo is much brighter which means you can use it as a proper light on its own, also comes with a bar mount. I also prefer the way it looks... The difference in price isn't that big

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by Richard G » Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:25 pm

Not a massive difference I know, but I tried a few different ones on my helmet and I'd like to keep the weight as light as possible (I have a tiny head that gets shaken about, what can I say). The heaviest I've been comfortable with for long / technical rides was about 105g inc mount. Diablo is a little bit above that.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by benp1 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:36 pm

My head is about as sensitive as a rugby ball, I don't really notice the weight. I think it's lighter than my non-cycle-specific helmet light that I used before

My 2 helmets - MTB and Road/Commute - both have helmet lights on so I'm probably just used to it now

There isn't a life changing amount of difference between the two, I think you'd be happy either way. I noted a lot of exposure lights at the weekend

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by Justchris » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:48 pm

Richard G wrote:Bumping this for a related question. Does the Axis have any advantage over the Joystick for use as a head torch? Is it generally better to have a more "spotty" beam for head torches or is the wide spread still fairly useful (I'm guessing not). At the moment I just use a Cree torch for most stuff, but I do like the idea of having something a little more versatile.
For mountain biking I like a wide throw on my handlebar light. And the edge of the light would be adjusted so I can see just in front of my tyre. but not if I have a front harness on. As the bag is in the way. But I would probably be going alot slower and a lot more carefully fully ladened.

Up top I use a superdrive xl. Like a Joystick but for me, a better recharge system via usb and the batteries are switchable as well. I have three battries in total, equating to six hours on full brightness or twenty one hours at 250lumens. It is a spot light, with the higher position it's more useful up there.

I know the exposures are good. But I think alot of people dismiss the lezyne lights, but they have a decent range of products that are well made, cheaper by comparison and a decent warranty.and importantly for me a different charging system, with cheap switchable recharble batteries.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by Richard G » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:15 pm

That is one aspect I like about the simple torch setup I've been using. It's easy to carry a couple of spare 18650s.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by PeteG » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:42 pm

I've been using a Lezyne up till recently when I acquired a cateye Volt 700. Nice, small but plenty of poke.

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by benp1 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:54 pm

My road helmet has a Lezyne on it, a macro duo

The Exposures have guaranteed run time which is the biggest draw. The TAP function is a bonus on the Axis and Diablo. I like being able to stick a little red light in too

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Re: Joystick or Diablo?

Post by FLV » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:11 pm

Personally I think you get a better, more useful light spread out of the 3 LED lights, you can lower the setting a little and get better life too.

I like to ride the easier off road parts with it on the bars and then if its a tricky section I just grab it a clip it into the waiting mount on my helmet.

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