Which Stove?

Chew · Post by **Chew** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:06 pm

Trying to decide what stove system to buy, with Jan's Mach n Back in mind, but there seems to be a bewildering choice. Just looking to boil water at this stage, for a good brew and rehydrating meals.

Like the idea of being able to pack it all down into one pot to save on space. Shouldn't need much more than 0.5l of capacity. Everything i find seems to be a lot bulkier than that and not so easy to carry.

Meths or Gas? I keep changing my mind :?

Wondering what peoples setups are before i splash my cash..

Bearbonesnorm · Post by **Bearbonesnorm** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:35 pm

... Uhm, having messed about with just about every stove known to man, I'd go with meths.

Nearly every 'bought' meths stove I've tried has been a little slow compared to a homemade stove (others have just been plain crap). The only exception is a White Box which'll cost about 18 quid, light, fast and compact, reasonable fuel efficiency too.

If you fancy going the homemade route I'll be putting a MYOG on the blog shortly ... you'll require - aluminium water bottle, hack saw, drill and a file, a vice would also be handy but not strictly required. The end result is robust, light, fast to boil and doesn't require any type of pot stand or support.

Bearbonesnorm · Post by **Bearbonesnorm** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:24 pm

I had a play with one of these over the weekend.

http://www.proadventure.co.uk/acatalog/ ... er997.html

I used the burner and stand, it did what it's meant to but it is very steady (everyone was eating while I was waiting) BUT it's very well made, quite compact, you can store enough fuel in it (without it leaking) to burn for about an hour. It'll fit inside a normal 90(ish)mm pot without trouble. The flame pattern is also well suited to narrow/smaller pots and mugs.

d45yth · Post by **d45yth** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:43 am

I bought the Evernew DX stand and stove with their 500ml pot (known as the Appalachian set outside the UK). The stand and burner fit inside the pot nicely, I then place that inside the 400ml mug, that isn't perfect though as the handles on the pot stop it from sitting flush.
Here's a shot of it in action:

I few folk have said I should have bought a Jetboil...I'm perfectly happy with what I've got though!

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:37 am

Caldera Cone & Alpkit Myti Mug

Has it's faults but for uber lightweight fast reliable boils then it's superb

Bearbonesnorm · Post by **Bearbonesnorm** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:01 am

Both the Evernew and Caldera would be a good choice. If I were going for an Evernew I'd just use the stove and trivet with a foil windshield (although using the DX stand does make for a nice intergrated set up) ... you can use the stove without any pot support but you'll close the top jets off, which at times may be a good thing.

Trail Designs list just about every pot you can think of to use with their Caldera Cone ... if your pot/pan is something a bit out of the ordinary you might not get one in the UK though.

http://www.traildesigns.com/stoves/caldera-cone-system

*GEEK MODE NOW OFF

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:14 am

Whitebox stove is my go to stove.
Jetboils are a bit one trick pony though.

Bearbonesnorm · Post by **Bearbonesnorm** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:52 pm

Just to add to the confusion ... there's always the Rodir meths stove. It's about the fastest meths stove I've ever used, if you don't mind the extra size and use a wide(ish) pot it's fantastic.

http://www.bearbonesbikepacking.co.uk/p ... views.html

Dan_K · Post by **Dan_K** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:40 pm

s8tannorm wrote:Just to add to the confusion ... there's always the Rodir meths stove. It's about the fastest meths stove I've ever used, if you don't mind the extra size and use a wide(ish) pot it's fantastic.

http://www.bearbonesbikepacking.co.uk/p ... views.html

Just seen your hammock review on that page. Want!

Cheeky Monkey · Post by **Cheeky Monkey** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:22 pm

Is this the stove where the review concludes:

The Bottom Line - if you're looking for a light, compact and simple way to warm something up then you shouldn't go far wrong. If you need to boil water then you might be better served elsewhere.

Don't you like him or something

Bearbonesnorm · Post by **Bearbonesnorm** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:02 pm

Is this the stove where the review concludes:

No that's a different stove

didnothingfatal · Post by **didnothingfatal** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:19 pm

Meths, lazy flame in the cold until it's going. The white box is ok, useless if not on level ground though, a Trangia will be ok as the are Swedish in design (used on the Artic Ultra). Gas canister stove will freeze as the canister is used, so unless you make a preheat system for them they are useless, this is the same for the regular jetboil, unless you go for the Sol which is designed for extreme conditions (which interestingly 4 years ago they claimed of the original jetboil, it wasn't and I hated it) So if it's freezing and with snow on the ground the best stove is MSR XGK, so that'll be most likely my stove of choice for Mach n Back.

Bearbonesnorm · Post by **Bearbonesnorm** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:11 pm

Meths, lazy flame in the cold until it's going

I find most stoves crap until they're going

didnothingfatal · Post by **didnothingfatal** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:18 pm

s8tannorm wrote:
Meths, lazy flame in the cold until it's going
I find most stoves crap until they're going

Actually a gas canister stove is the opposite, and performance will drop as the can ices up due to the pressure drop.
The issue with a 'lightweight' meths stove is the small reservoir of fuel, and the time and fuel required to prime the stove in sub zero temps. So while the petrol stove takes 2 minutes to prime a large bottle of pressurised petrol feeding the flame thrower ensures the perfect winter stove.

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:18 pm

The white box is ok, useless if not on level ground though

Surely that's operator error?

Chew · Post by **Chew** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:14 pm

Thanks Everyone.

The Evernew system seems to tick the boxes for me. Anyone know if the stove will fit inside an Alpkit MyTi mug? Still unsure if i want to go for there full system or just get the stove, trivet and the Alpkit mug :?

99percentchimp · Post by **99percentchimp** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:53 am

Hi there Chew,
The Evernew stove fits very neatly in the Solo Set (http://backpackinglight.co.uk/product499.asp?PageID=100) they do, with the DX stand in there too. Without the DX stand you can get the trivet and stove in there with other bits and bobs (brew kit, lighter etc.) easily. Internal dimesions of the larger 750 ml pot are 90mm diam x 116mm high. There is also an 800ml pot that takes the lot too (like a Ti Russian doll!).
I have used just the Solo Set and stove + trivet.... you could get away without the DX stand unless you want to burn soggy wood sometimes!
DX stand external dimensions when packed are 82mm diam x 70mm high.
Sorry but not sure of the Alpkit mug dimensions.
All this packs into one small bag (including foil cosy thing) 125mm diam x 140mm high... easily get this into a seat pack with other stuff packed around it.
HTH

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:05 am

Some more meths stove geekery,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSp6GLAG ... AAAAAAAEAA

Bearbonesnorm · Post by **Bearbonesnorm** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:16 pm

If you fancy going the homemade route I'll be putting a MYOG on the blog shortly

For anyone slightly interested part 1 is on the blog now

http://bearbonesbikepacking.blogspot.com/

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:21 pm

Part 2

Cut bottom off,
Drill some holes,
De-burr,
Pour in Meths and light

Looks good

Bearbonesnorm · Post by **Bearbonesnorm** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:39 pm

Part 2

Cut bottom off,
Drill some holes,
De-burr,
Pour in Meths and light

No, it's a proper double walled, semi-pressured affair.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:52 pm

Oh well, excited now and have and old bottle waiting to be hacked up.

Bearbonesnorm · Post by **Bearbonesnorm** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:19 pm

Oh well, excited now and have and old bottle waiting to be hacked up.

Stop right there fella, don't go getting too excited, it'll only result in disoppointment

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:47 pm

Making it now based on part 2

evilgoat · Post by **evilgoat** » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:31 pm

i just made a stove from a small metal vaseline tin. Very light, will test it tomorrow and take some pics... (I don't appear to have any meths).

Is there a standard stove performance test used to prove who's made the best stove? ;-)

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