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Latex.
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Hi guys, I'm wondering if Im doing the right thing here..
No tittering at the back.


I have taken both tyres off the 29er cube Frankenbike. (WTB Ranger 2.25, seem ok)

The Caffèlatex sealant had dried out. Most of pull off. 2 dose had lasted 3 year! :-bd
- How do I soften the rest of the old sealant to remove it?
(Soaking in hot water helps.)
I Found 1 thorn so I now have trust in the Caffè latex.
I may try OrangeSeal next.
-Has any one experience of the sealants that claim not to dry out.?
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Gently fondle the latex, rubbing harder and harder...
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Why does it need to come out?
Mine usually dries to a thin layer of negligible weight. Can’t see that it’s doing any harm, moreover it’s probably covering some holes.
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I've taken the tyres off oand toughy the would not seat/seal properly. I was quite a thick mass on one tyre...
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ledburner wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:28 am I've taken the tyres off oand toughy the would not seat/seal properly. I was quite a thick mass on one tyre...
Fair enough. When I’ve had to get some off before I just picked and rubbed it with a cloth. You should only need to do around the bead.
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I never bother (other than massive blobs) and never had a problem re-seating a tyre.
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As Bob says (cheekily) friction is your friend. I don't bother with stuff stuck to the inside but do sometimes clean the bead.
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Be careful how you pull / rub the sealant off the bead, if you hold one area firm and pull another the bead itself can shift in the casing and you get a wobble on the tyre when you re-fit. Shouldn't happen to a well-made tyre but it can.
-Has any one experience of the sealants that claim not to dry out.?
OKO sealant doesn't seem to dry out as it's solvent-free as far as I'm aware, it's a bit thick for bikes but I've found a 1/3 each mix of OKO, latex and water works well, doesn't dry in the same way or anywhere near the same rate. Cheap too, £20 for enough sealant base to make 3 litres. Adding OKO does seal sidewall damage or flint nicks more effectively than latex alone. Haven't used this mix as far as drying fully and needing removal though.
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Be careful how you pull / rub the sealant off the bead, if you hold one area firm and pull another the bead itself can shift in the casing and you get a wobble on the tyre when you re-fit. Shouldn't happen to a well-made tyre but it can.
What kind of crap tyres are you using? :wink:
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I tried cafelatex once and its the only time I have ever had to 'clean' a tyre out after I took it off. To do so was just time / elbow grease / rubbing and peeling.

I wont use it again unless desperate.
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Counterpoint: I always used it it I got the eco stuff last year. Never had a problem. Only needed to clean one bead once in 4 years.
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I have only ever had to clean one bead [ it would not seat due to the little lumps - I am sure it would have got there eventually- and I used a stainless steel wire scouring thingy but was not scrubbing that hard
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Personally best thing i have used to remove sealant was a rough dishcloth my wife's nan used to knit us!

And personally i have found Stans Race best sealant in tyres running up to 50 psi, for road tyres and tyres that need over 50psi, i have found Orange Seal best, Stans doesn't seem to like the higher pressures, but all personal
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I always leave the dry goo in and have never had a problem mixing different varieties of sealant. I reason that it only end up using half the fresh goo to seal the tyres up a second time.

I echo what James said above. OKO doesn't seem to dry out. I just fitted new tyres and transferred the year old goo to the new tyres.
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Bearbonesnorm wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:52 am
Be careful how you pull / rub the sealant off the bead, if you hold one area firm and pull another the bead itself can shift in the casing and you get a wobble on the tyre when you re-fit. Shouldn't happen to a well-made tyre but it can.
What kind of crap tyres are you using? :wink:
Happened to some Specialized and Maxxis. Bead material doesn't stretch but rubber does so I expect it could be done to any mishandled and abused tyre :wink:
Should add, I meant 'pull' as in scrape/rub with a cloth using some grip, specifically in the bead area - rather than simply peeling back a bit of dried latex!
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Happened to some Specialized and Maxxis. Bead material doesn't stretch but rubber does so I expect it could be done to any mishandled and abused tyre :wink:
Should add, I meant 'pull' as in scrape/rub with a cloth using some grip, specifically in the bead area - rather than simply peeling back a bit of dried latex!
You see, I'm thinking about the amount of force that can get applied to a tight bead with a couple of decent sized tyre levers and a 14 stone bloke :wink:
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True, that's not pulling along the length of the bead though, or not in the same way. Next time I'm passing I'll borrow one of your tyres and show you how it's done..
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ledburner wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:05 am - How do I soften the rest of the old sealant to remove it?
If you ride more you can get a tyre down before stuff dries out :wink:

When I used Conti Revo which would dry out on my everyday bike some time after about 6 months, I just topped the up. But then I only used 40 - 50 mL on 29 x 2.3 - 3".

When I change tyres and those removed still have some life in them, I just hang them up for storage, but don't bother with cleaning them.

Since last Summer I'm using Oko High Fibre. After 5 months the tyres of my everyday bike could've been whiped clean quite easily, if you feel inclined to do so. Hardly any dried stuff at all. Oko is quite "greasy" though.

Which gets us here:
-Has any one experience of the sealants that claim not to dry out.?
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Oko may not claim such a thing, but it does work well.
Currently diluted to about 40 %. I started with about 25 % added water, with which it was still a bit too thick to reliably & quickly seal punctures.
With a bit more water it's working well.

When I swap tyres I just pour the stuff from the used & removed tyres into the semi mounted set, close them, air, done.

Only thing I clean and check is the rims.

More to read on here:
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Just for the record I removed about 200g dried latex. In one tyre it pool and the lump was large & a thick coating.

Over the years I guess there must have been 250ml in each tyre.

Edit: photogenic evidence added.
Any old tripe any one?
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Next time I'm passing I'll borrow one of your tyres and show you how it's done..
:-bd
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Bearbonesnorm wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:52 am
Be careful how you pull / rub the sealant off the bead, if you hold one area firm and pull another the bead itself can shift in the casing and you get a wobble on the tyre when you re-fit. Shouldn't happen to a well-made tyre but it can.
What kind of crap tyres are you using? :wink:
WTB Rangers, 29er 2.25 light/high rolling blah blah blah
Edit oh that wasn't aimed at the Op. Haha
But might still be relevant....
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ledburner wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:38 pm
Bearbonesnorm wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:52 am
Be careful how you pull / rub the sealant off the bead, if you hold one area firm and pull another the bead itself can shift in the casing and you get a wobble on the tyre when you re-fit. Shouldn't happen to a well-made tyre but it can.
What kind of crap tyres are you using? :wink:
WTB Rangers, 29er 2.25 light/high rolling blah blah blah
Edit oh that wasn't aimed at the Op. Haha
But might still be relevant....
I've just found this every problematic joc is easier with hindsight
It seems a broad base symmarry

https://bikepacking.com/plan/tubeless- ... air-guide/
Edit: it has bee reported this is, a bad link for some browsers.

SO try this link instead

https://bikepacking.com/plan/tubeless- ... pair-guide
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ledburner wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:16 pm Just for the record I removed about 200g dried latex. In one tyre it pool and the lump was large & a thick coating.

Over the years I guess there must have been 250ml in each tyre.

Edit: photogenic evidence added.
Any old tripe any one?
:shock: :lol:
Looking at this I do not wonder that some are still hesitant to go tubeless. :lol:
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Page not found - if you take the / off the end and paste it into a new browser it works though.
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Borderer wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:18 pm
Page not found - if you take the / off the end and paste it into a new browser it works though.
Thanks, I've edited the post one of the links will work. :-bd.
Interestingly, it may be browser related. it only works for me with the final '/'. :roll:
I'm using Firefox on android.
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