Merino 'down' jackets???
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- gairym
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Merino 'down' jackets???
Evenin' all,
I was perusing the Sport Pursuits website resulted and saw a few 'down jackets' jackets that had recycled nylon outers with recycled Merino insulation that is apparently all good when wet etc...
I've never heard of this - anyone know owt?????
I was perusing the Sport Pursuits website resulted and saw a few 'down jackets' jackets that had recycled nylon outers with recycled Merino insulation that is apparently all good when wet etc...
I've never heard of this - anyone know owt?????
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Re: Merino 'down' jackets???
Can you post up a link for the lazy please?
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Re: Merino 'down' jackets???
Nice, but wouldn't dry hydrophobic down in a rain storm be warmer and lighter then wet merino insulation?
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What does merino down do that primaloft type fill doesn't? Interested, I don't know. Primaloft type is great when wet and will dry far faster than merino. Hydrophobic down is only temporarily effective, IME it gets bogged down after a while.
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That's a very good question, especially with the good recycled synthetics available now ... obviously removing any eco / green notions.What does merino down do that primaloft type fill doesn't?
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Recycling synthetics doesn’t entirely remove any eco/green notions. Micro plastics released during washing would be a concern to some people.Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:51 pmThat's a very good question, especially with the good recycled synthetics available now ... obviously removing any eco / green notions.What does merino down do that primaloft type fill doesn't?
On the other hand I expect production of wool insulation suitable for lightweight clothing probably comes with its own sustainability concerns. That’s without considering the shell material, manufacturing ethics etc. Having not looked into it that’s fairly wild conjecture though.
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Hadn't considered that Luke.
In answer to your question James - we don't know.
In answer to your question James - we don't know.
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Thanks folks,
I arrived at mostly the same conclusions as all of the above.
Can't quite see a reason for this over primaloft and I always assume/know that I'm destroying the planet somehow even when trying to reduce consumption or damage
I arrived at mostly the same conclusions as all of the above.
Can't quite see a reason for this over primaloft and I always assume/know that I'm destroying the planet somehow even when trying to reduce consumption or damage
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Re: Merino 'down' jackets???
FWIW I found some information on Lavalan wool insulation used in some brands wool ‘down’ products. Not all wool insulation will be the same.
Looks to be pretty sustainable/ethical. Uses European wool, traceable to source. The insulation is created using heat bonding to create thousands of bonds between the wool fibres to create a robust insulation. A small amount of corn based PLA fibres are used to stabilise the product.
If separated from the shell at the end of the products life the insulation is fully compostable.
Looks to be pretty sustainable/ethical. Uses European wool, traceable to source. The insulation is created using heat bonding to create thousands of bonds between the wool fibres to create a robust insulation. A small amount of corn based PLA fibres are used to stabilise the product.
If separated from the shell at the end of the products life the insulation is fully compostable.
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Re: Merino 'down' jackets???
I've got a Buffalo top that's 16 years old or more. An Alpkit filo down jacket that was one of their first products (>14 year old?) and a ME primaloft type top that's 10+ years old. With the current availability of less damaging fills and fabrics, and yes things still can get better and should, I'm not as worried about the impact of the new product Vs how often I / we turn over what we have. Fashion and churn is the real problem? Would be ideal o/c if we can get to durable as well as compostable clothing.
Interested if there's any reports on how well a merino fill copes with wet weather and how fast it dries. I wouldn't change my perfectly functional synthetic fill tops to buy a more eco version and create waste of the old ones in doing so, but the slow move to sustainability does influence what I'd buy next when it's a genuine need.
Interested if there's any reports on how well a merino fill copes with wet weather and how fast it dries. I wouldn't change my perfectly functional synthetic fill tops to buy a more eco version and create waste of the old ones in doing so, but the slow move to sustainability does influence what I'd buy next when it's a genuine need.
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Jameso I absolutely agree. I’m not advocating for the product just answering the op.lune ranger wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:48 pm
Ethical/green/eco (call it what you will) choices are always multi-factorial.
As I see it the best sustainability choice is not buying what you don’t need. This is why, as you and many other people are, I’m using a lot of old kit. I
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Absolutely - the sweatshirt I have on today says 'Straightliners Drag Racing 1996' ... apart from the burns, holes, glue and oil stains, there's nothing wrong with it and I'd estimate it'll still be okay until the turn of the decadeAs I see it the best sustainability choice is not buying what you don’t need.
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Agreed likewise, and my 'buy nothing' point's not really helpful in hindsight is it - goes for anything and everything ultimately.lune ranger wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:25 pmJameso I absolutely agree. I’m not advocating for the product just answering the op.lune ranger wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:48 pm
Ethical/green/eco (call it what you will) choices are always multi-factorial.
As I see it the best sustainability choice is not buying what you don’t need. This is why, as you and many other people are, I’m using a lot of old kit. I
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I totally agree.
Annoyingly there was nothing wrong with the jacket I am looking to replace.....other than I lost it somewhere.
Annoyingly there was nothing wrong with the jacket I am looking to replace.....other than I lost it somewhere.
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Not aiming comments about unnecessary consumption at you gairy.
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No worries, I didn't think you were.
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Re: Merino 'down' jackets???
I have no experience of this type of jacket but I've seen a few like it (Howies?).
I'd imagine it's a bit carp when wet and takes a long time to dry out. That's if it's anything like the merino tops and baselayers I've used.
I guess it's basically an over-engineered woolly jumper
I'd imagine it's a bit carp when wet and takes a long time to dry out. That's if it's anything like the merino tops and baselayers I've used.
I guess it's basically an over-engineered woolly jumper
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"Harlem Globetrotters World Tour 1988", here...Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:39 pmAbsolutely - the sweatshirt I have on today says 'Straightliners Drag Racing 1996' ... apart from the burns, holes, glue and oil stains, there's nothing wrong with it and I'd estimate it'll still be okay until the turn of the decadeAs I see it the best sustainability choice is not buying what you don’t need.