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What Bike

Post by Catrike16 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:58 am

Hi Al,
First time poster, sorry if it’s in the wrong place.
Rediscovered my love of cycling after years gaining weight, now going the other way quite rapidly.
I have always fancied bike packing but never got round to it.
My question is, what bike would be best and are fat bikes any use?
I like the following
Trek 1120
Genesis Longitude
Brother Big Brother
Bombtrack Beyond
Something from Salsa or Surly
I fractured my wrist which gives me pain when riding so what are thoughts on a suspension fork? I use a Jones loop bar on my current bike as it gives lots of hand positions
I know it’s a personal choice but I am looking for advice on comfort and suitability.
Cheers in advance

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Re: What Bike

Post by Lazarus » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:08 pm

I can only advise on what I have
Genesis Longitude
Lovely bike but rather heavy - comfy as can be and basically my winter bike - love it and great for bike packing
personally I rarely ride rigid off road and i think with a knackered wrist - you will much prefer suspension - there is a weight penalty for this choice mind

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Re: What Bike

Post by psling » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:14 pm

Catrike16 wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:58 am
I use a Jones loop bar on my current bike as it gives lots of hand positions
Welcome aboard :-bd

Just out of curiosity, what is your existing bike upon which the Jones bars rest? Just to evaluate it's suitability for bikepacking (although we all need more bikes).
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Re: What Bike

Post by BordersSteve » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:21 pm

I'd vote for a suspension fork if you have hand or wrist issues. They really make an almighty difference offroad. Rigid with a flexy carbon/steel fork, fat tyres, soft grips etc all help but don't come close to the difference a decent suspension fork will make.

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Re: What Bike

Post by ton » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:23 pm

hello, and welcome.

i have (probably ) owned more bikes that anyone on here.
and still own 2 x surly.

if i knew then what i know now, i would buy the Brother frame, and build up a bike with parts that suited me/my desired riding.
lots of complete bikes come with compromises that dont always suit.
as a start, good custom wheels, wide gears and good brakes. :-bd

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Re: What Bike

Post by Catrike16 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:59 pm

psling wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:14 pm
Catrike16 wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:58 am
I use a Jones loop bar on my current bike as it gives lots of hand positions
Welcome aboard :-bd

Just out of curiosity, what is your existing bike upon which the Jones bars rest? Just to evaluate it's suitability for bikepacking (although we all need more bikes).
Hi I have owned too many bikes to mention. My current ride is a Giant Fathom 1 It’s ok
I have owned Santa Cruz Blur LT2,
Heckler, Liked both
Scott Genius , Liked
Trek Fuel EX 9.8, Meh
Canyon Spectral Al, 29, Hated with a passion
Trek Remedy, Liked
Specialized Stumpy, good bike but always pay a premium for Spesh bikes
Still have a YT Jeffsy but it’s in the states, don’t like
My experience of buying bikes direct has never been good. Sizing alway ends up wrong despite numerous phone calls and measurements.
The Fathom is ok but I am a funny shape I have a long body and short legs so typically end up on a medium but then feel cramped, so the fathom I put a 70nm stem on and the Jones bars have a 2” rise, it’s better but not perfect. I know you can bike pack on anything but I really want something specific with wide tyres 27.5 + I really don’t like 29ers particularly.
Cheers all

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Re: What Bike

Post by Charliecres » Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:15 pm

It depends a lot on what you intend to do (obvs). I generally ride a rigid 29er with a 29+ front when bikepacking because it suits the sort of riding I do on those trips. But I also have a gravel bike for when there’s less bumpiness and more road in the mix.

You’ll know best what works for your wrist but if you’re planning long days I’d guess a bit of suspension might help. That said, a fat front or even 29+ goes a fair way to soaking up the small stuff IME.

I’d go for something that will take a 3in tyre up front and leaves you with the optioN to switch to rigid or suspension as suits. Thought about a Lauf? :YMSICK:

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Re: What Bike

Post by Catrike16 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:02 pm

Thanks all,
Can anyone recommend the best GPX viewer app?

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Re: What Bike

Post by gairym » Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:18 pm

Catrike16 wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:02 pm
Thanks all,
Can anyone recommend the best GPX viewer app?
I use one (appropriately) called 'GPX Viewer'.

I eventually paid for the pro version for a few useful extra features but I happily used the free version for years before that.

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Re: What Bike

Post by jameso » Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:05 pm

I fractured my wrist which gives me pain when riding so what are thoughts on a suspension fork? I use a Jones loop bar on my current bike as it gives lots of hand positions
Been swapping between my 29er with loop bar and a very similar bike with an old Ti H-bar recently and I've really noticed how rigid the Ti and Al loop bars are (wheels, stem, forks etc are very similar or identical between the 2 bikes). There really is no give in the loop versions. Have used a number of versions of the Jones bar over the last 10 years but I might go back to the old H bars for a bit more flex and comfort.

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Re: What Bike

Post by Leerowe76 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:50 am

Brother Big Bro i can recommend, lighter than i first imagined it would be with a good riding position. XT build with Hunt XC Wide 29 rims love mine although i was looking for and nearly went with the Genesis Longitude which again ticks lots of boxes both great bike imo
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Re: What Bike

Post by Catrike16 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:02 am

A view on fat bikes?
I have to say, I find myself strangely drawn to them

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Re: What Bike

Post by Jurassic » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:39 am

Catrike16 wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:02 am
A view on fat bikes?
I have to say, I find myself strangely drawn to them
I rode one pretty much exclusively for a few years. I still have it and still love it but mainly use it in winter and when conditions are very wet/boggy now (which is quite often where I live). For bike packing I think there are better all round options (29er wheels would be top of my list) but fat bikes definitely have their place imho.

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Re: What Bike

Post by Ray Young » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:42 am

Genesis Longitude here too fitted with suss forks. I don't know how tall you are but I ride a small frame and had to fit a high rise stem to avoid the tyre contacting the bar bag when the fork compresses. As others have said, heavy but comfortable over long days.

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Post by TheBrownDog » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:36 pm

Big Bro here too and very happy with it but I'd have been equally happy with a Longitude. If you want to carry loads of gear, as I tend to, and have options for racks/panniers, option to run a 100mm fork as well as replaceable sliding drop outs if you feel like single speeding or hub gears. Just a great well designed bike. Like Tony said earlier though, I kinda wish I'd just bought the frame/fork as I've replaced the bars/stem/grips, brakes, seat post and saddle, as well as having had a right arse of time setting it up tubeless. Still, one of the nicest bikes I've ever owned and a bit of a rocket downhill.
Catrike16 wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:02 am
A view on fat bikes? I have to say, I find myself strangely drawn to them
I really like riding fat tyres ... not sure why as they're heavy and ponderous, bump steer and don't actually go that well in mud. I've only ever ridden in the snow once and it was brilliant. But it's fun, like many non-optimal choices it's the idiosyncrasies that make that interesting . Plus, you can always get a few wheelsets. I've got 26x4, 27.5x3 and 29x2.4 for my OnOne Fatty, which was until recently my bikepacky bike.
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Post by K1100T » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:43 pm

Catrike16 wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:02 am
A view on fat bikes?
I have to say, I find myself strangely drawn to them
I loved my fat bike. I had a Calibre Dune, unfortunately, I cracked the frame. The only problem, other than Jumbo Jims being sub standard in the mud, was it was horribly slow on the road. I replaced it with a gravel bike, but would love another one.
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Re: What Bike

Post by Catrike16 » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:11 am

Ray Young wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:42 am
Genesis Longitude here too fitted with suss forks. I don't know how tall you are but I ride a small frame and had to fit a high rise stem to avoid the tyre contacting the bar bag when the fork compresses. As others have said, heavy but comfortable over long days.
I read an article in MBR I think, that said you can’t fit a suss fork to a longitude because the frame geometry isn’t corrected for a suss fork and it screws up the handling ? Other than the odd rub have you had any other issues and what fork did you go for, if you don’t mind me asking?
I just emailed them actually, to get their opinion, I really need a suss fork with my knackered wrist I don’t think it would take the hammering from a rigid frame

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Re: What Bike

Post by Catrike16 » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:27 am

Jurassic wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:39 am
Catrike16 wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:02 am
A view on fat bikes?
I have to say, I find myself strangely drawn to them
I rode one pretty much exclusively for a few years. I still have it and still love it but mainly use it in winter and when conditions are very wet/boggy now (which is quite often where I live). For bike packing I think there are better all round options (29er wheels would be top of my list) but fat bikes definitely have their place imho.
Anyone with any experience of the Alpkit Sonder fat bike, I have to say I’m a carbophobe, don’t really trust carbon bikes much after my Trek Fuel EX9.8 experience

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Re: What Bike

Post by sean_iow » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:26 am

Catrike16 wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:11 am
I read an article in MBR I think, that said you can’t fit a suss fork to a longitude because the frame geometry isn’t corrected for a suss fork and it screws up the handling ?
Ray can correct me if I'm wrong but I thought he had a Genesis Latitude, in fact I think he might have a High Latitude which is the 29er. This is designed for the sus fork.

I only remember as I have a Latitude the 650b version and I think it was my post in the Bargain Alert thread that pointed him to the frame. It's an old model so no longer available.

I would always choose a frame that can take a sus fork. I run my Salsa rigid most of the time but put a sus fork on when the terrain dictates.
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Re: What Bike

Post by Ray Young » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:54 pm

sean_iow wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:26 am
Catrike16 wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:11 am
I read an article in MBR I think, that said you can’t fit a suss fork to a longitude because the frame geometry isn’t corrected for a suss fork and it screws up the handling ?
Ray can correct me if I'm wrong but I thought he had a Genesis Latitude, in fact I think he might have a High Latitude which is the 29er. This is designed for the sus fork.
No, I have a Longitude, the first model they did with the aluminium fork.
Catrike16 wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:11 am
Ray Young wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:42 am
Genesis Longitude here too fitted with suss forks. I don't know how tall you are but I ride a small frame and had to fit a high rise stem to avoid the tyre contacting the bar bag when the fork compresses. As others have said, heavy but comfortable over long days.
I read an article in MBR I think, that said you can’t fit a suss fork to a longitude because the frame geometry isn’t corrected for a suss fork and it screws up the handling ? Other than the odd rub have you had any other issues and what fork did you go for, if you don’t mind me asking?
I fitted a Rockshox Judy with 100mm of travel. I've had no problems and it handles just fine.

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Re: What Bike

Post by boxelder » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:20 pm

Can anyone recommend the best GPX viewer app?
If looking to navigate on a phone, I'd say the OS subscription is totally worth the £20-25 a year it costs.
You get 1:50 and 1:25k maps of the whole of UK.
I use it as a back up though, to a Garmin etrex with OS mapping, as phone batteries don't last too long and phones are for Til-Tok and 'Garmin' the highlights and your lunch :wink:

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Re: What Bike

Post by sean_iow » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:54 pm

Ray Young wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:54 pm
No, I have a Longitude, the first model they did with the aluminium fork.
Sorry Ray, so have you got a Latitude as well or am I thinking of someone else :???: didn't I once post you a bb spacer when you were building up a Latitude? Perhaps riding through the night all those times has affected me after all, the memory's gone :lol:
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Re: What Bike

Post by Ray Young » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:26 am

sean_iow wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:54 pm
Ray Young wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:54 pm
No, I have a Longitude, the first model they did with the aluminium fork.
Sorry Ray, so have you got a Latitude as well or am I thinking of someone else :???: didn't I once post you a bb spacer when you were building up a Latitude? Perhaps riding through the night all those times has affected me after all, the memory's gone :lol:
Hi Sean. No I don't have a latitude but yes you did post me a spacer. It was for the Charge Cooker 29er I had at the time.

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Post by sean_iow » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:31 am

At least I remembered some of the details.

It's a shame they changed the Latitude. Mine's the older version and it's the classic double-triangle shape. It was comfortable, had a 44mm headtube so would take a tapered fork with an external lower cup, and had two sets of bottle bosses. It served me well on many events including the HT550. I only stopped riding it as I was lured away by ti and 29" wheels.
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Re: What Bike

Post by johnnystorm » Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:33 am

If you have an Android phone then backcountry navigator is an excellent app. Has OS mapping at all levels alongside their foreign equivalents if you go overseas or fancy OSM alternatives. Its also a one off payment.

Sonder Frontier is definitely worth a look, you can probably order it with Suspension and plus tyres.

Fat bikes are great and perfect for certain situations and terrible in others.

Definitely have a look at Keep Pedalling http://www.keeppedalling.co.uk/ , they stock Surly and Salsa, do custom builds and have ridden everywhere so will know what will suit your plans!
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