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What Going On With The Track Taken From The Highlands;

Post by Escape Goat » Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:29 pm

Hi

There's a few routes that share the same tracks, though An Turas Mor skirts around a loch with no visible track;


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It looks like a boat is needed here;

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This claims its a causeway, is it really? EDIT: Wrong picture uploaded for causeway

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EDIT; Should have been this one which has been confirmed as a causeway. Apologies.

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Any local knowledge or help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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Post by htrider » Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:43 pm

The track round Loch Dionard isn't - its a fairly tricky hike a bike which doesn't quite make deathmarch status. The crossing of the river at the south eastern end can be tricky....

Second and third pic is the famous crossing of the Strath na sealga on the Highland Trail route. There ain't no causeway.....

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Post by Escape Goat » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:52 am

Thanks. Back to the drawing board.

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Post by NewRetroTom » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:35 am

I can confirm, having fished loch Dionard (from a boat) that there are no tracks around it.
The Gualin estate who own it also used to be funny about bikes using the track that goes up the strath to the loch. Don't know if that's still the case or if they now understand how land access laws work!

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Post by sean_iow » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:06 am

Escape Goat wrote:
Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:52 am
Thanks. Back to the drawing board.
Don't be put off by a lack of track or causeway. If it's on a published route that's been ridden then it's passable.

On the HT550 there's a bit round a loch (forgotten the name) late on the first or early on the second day - it goes past the haunted house. It's a pain pushing and carrying the bike over the rocks but it's over soon enough. The same for the Strath na sealga crossing, it's used lots by walkers, and if levels are low it's no issue at all. In 2018 it would have been rideable. Having taken my socks off and pushed across the water only came just above my ankles :roll: I was tempted to go back and ride it just to say I had :smile:
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Post by Escape Goat » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:19 am

I've just been on OS 3d Ariel and see what you're both describing. I've just double checked the An Turas Mor route, and it does indeed put you around the Loch.

The only option would be to stick the HT550 route and drop West then South, taking you away from Gualin House to Achfary Forest or cutting right further south of this towards Goberbuisgach Lodge then head North towards Hope (eventually).

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I guess adding some K's on here will compensate removing the river/sea/ocean crossings mentioned above.
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Escape Goat wrote:
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Thanks. Back to the drawing board.
Don't be put off by a lack of track or causeway. If it's on a published route that's been ridden then it's passable.
Ah right, that may be alright actually... Just wonder what the levels will be like in September....
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I can confirm, having fished loch Dionard (from a boat)...
A boat would be ideal though :lol:

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Post by Mariner » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:35 am

Following on from a previous thread apparently ATM bypasses Loch Dionard.
See also Rich and Tom Cape Wrath route.

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Post by Bearbonesnorm » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:44 am

On the HT550 there's a bit round a loch (forgotten the name) late on the first or early on the second day - it goes past the haunted house. It's a pain pushing and carrying the bike over the rocks but it's over soon enough.
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Post by whitestone » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:54 am

Are you creating a route or just seeing where existing routes go?

There's a track leading directly from Lone to Gobernuisgach Lodge, Phil (htrider) has done it but it's in one of the Vertebrate MTB guides as part of a Bealach Horn loop. I've also seen a route with the track starting here http://streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=245206 ... &A=Y&Z=120 but can't remember what it was on, maybe one of the hipster gravel videos. Bit of a ford at the start!

Causeway? There's a causeway between Fionn and Dubh loch in Fisherfield so there may be some confusion there. Definitely not one on the Sealga though :lol:

Also worth having a look at http://www.heritagepaths.co.uk/#zoom=6& ... on=-4.9000 which shows most of the old drove and military roads. That does show the Strath Dionard route - http://www.heritagepaths.co.uk/pathdetails.php?path=309
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Post by Escape Goat » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:17 pm

Thanks for that. I'm creating a route out of existing routes, hopefully.

Everyone's input is invaluable, thank you.

I'll check out those links on my computer later.

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Post by htrider » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:55 pm

There is an old road from Eriboll to Cashell Dhu which cuts a big corner of your route there Allan. It also requires a river crossing however....

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Post by Escape Goat » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:04 pm

htrider wrote:
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There is an old road from Eriboll to Cashell Dhu which cuts a big corner of your route there Allan. It also requires a river crossing however....


That looks pretty big when I go to sat view :lol:

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This is the one? Certainly cuts across a bit.

Sealga is a whole load of swimming!

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Least there's a causeway on Dubh Loch. Has anyone got any pictures of either Sealga or Dubh?
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Following on from a previous thread apparently ATM bypasses Loch Dionard.
See also Rich and Tom Cape Wrath route.
Happy to be wrong, but the ATM routes through Dionard?

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Alan Goldsmith at the Loch Na Sealga crossing...oh my

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Post by Escape Goat » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:30 pm

That looks more appealing.

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Post by whitestone » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:29 pm

Here's the Strath na Sealga crossing

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Here's an aerial shot from geograph.org.uk

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Post by Mariner » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:21 pm

See
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17570&p=223887&hil ... rd#p223887

My gpx which I created from Glasgow Central Station to CW using the ATM daily ride description and my own research goes via Loch Dionard. The 'new' ATM route to the east appears to have much more road riding. If ever I was in a position to do it I would use the Loch Dionard route or from Sandwood Bay but that is a whole different world of hab.

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Post by Richpips » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:31 pm

Cashel Dhu, looked like nowt though we couldn’t be arseed getting wet feet. Bridget and Joe did it the other day. Strath na Sealga if it is dry looks far more intimidating on the map than it is in real life.

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Post by sean_iow » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:32 pm

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That's as deep as the Strath na Sealga crossing got in 2018.
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Post by Dean » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:28 pm

Bearbonesnorm wrote:
Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:44 am
On the HT550 there's a bit round a loch (forgotten the name) late on the first or early on the second day - it goes past the haunted house. It's a pain pushing and carrying the bike over the rocks but it's over soon enough.
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The water was so low by the haunted house in September 2019 I rode the entire beach without walking (I did bump over a few bigger rocks with a dab or two but it was mostly sand and small gravel). I guess this shows don't expect water levels in Scotland to be consistent.

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Post by htrider » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:13 pm

Aye Cashel dhu is OK under normal circumstances.

Strath sealga in 2017 - Image

It was probably at its worst in 2015 and only came to my hips - that said I was about 10m off line which I now know is enough to make quite a difference depthwise - on line it would have only been thigh deep but the waves were much worse :lol: . You'll be fine Allan!

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Post by Mart » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:53 pm

I’ve crossed the Strath na Sealga twice

- first time barely ankle deep
- second time last year it was above the waist

Depth depends on the amount of rainfall
Can be crossed in most states
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Post by whitestone » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:10 pm

Before the start of the 2017 HT550 I asked Ian Fitz about the Abhainn na Sealga crossing as I'm not exactly happy in water and was worried about it. He said he'd only done it in low water but to ask Jenny (Graham). It just so happened I was riding with Jenny after the start and she reckoned it started to drop about two hours after the rain had stopped. So it rises and falls pretty quickly.

In the end it was pretty mild as seen by the photos.

I'd say most rivers that have reasonable ingress/egress will be in a white water kayaking guide either paper or online which will indicate how quickly the river rises and falls after rainfall.
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Post by Escape Goat » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:35 am

Thanks all, that helped out hugely.

Gotta love a bit of line drawing.

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