Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

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Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Piemonster » Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:04 pm

I find myself in the market for a sleeping bag, top of the current list is a Criterion Quantum 350.

Anything else in that ball park I should be thinking of? Theoretically I should fit ok in that bag, but something with a little extra wriggle room might be worth looking at, I’m 6 foot and just shy of 13 stone and a partial to stretching my legs/toes if that makes sense. Temperature wise, nothing less insulated, and that should cover most of the year too cold for my PHD Minimus. Looking at some bags they seem to narrow at the feet, do people find that constrictive?

The existing bag that does all this weighs 1.2kg and I’d rather it didn’t and can be retired to van camping where it can last a lifetime with care.

I’m also starting to think about a tent, something for multi day stuff in a bit more comfort, not always on the bike, maybe boats or on foot as well, the occasional bit of touring. Maybe, just maybe 4 season. Use would be in either cold or windy weather, in Scotland, so all year round. I’ve no idea where to start with that. Other than probably freestanding. I’d kinda eyed up the MSR Access 1 or one of their lighter options. The lighter you get the more the usage would crossover with my Laser Photon Elite. Dunno where to start there really. I’m definitely thinking tougher rather than lighter, but still below 2kg.

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by AlasdairMc » Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:47 pm

I have the Quantum 350, and think it’s great. I do wonder if they’re being generous with the -6 rating, but I’ve never actually been cold in it, and that includes every Bearbones winter bivi I’ve been on.

In terms of tents, I’ve got a Laser Comp, but I’ve wondered about the Solar as a winter tent. The freestanding nature seems to be what makes it a winter tent, but I don’t know how it would stand up to a proper winter storm.

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:42 pm

the MSR Access 1
Aren't nearly all the MSR tents inner pitch first? In my mind that makes them far less suitable for year round UK use.
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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Piemonster » Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:07 pm

They are inner first, which is an issue.

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by ScotRoutes » Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:37 pm

You're welcome to try out my Scarp 1 at any point.

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Piemonster » Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:16 pm

AlasdairMc wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:47 pm
I have the Quantum 350, and think it’s great. I do wonder if they’re being generous with the -6 rating, but I’ve never actually been cold in it, and that includes every Bearbones winter bivi I’ve been on.

In terms of tents, I’ve got a Laser Comp, but I’ve wondered about the Solar as a winter tent. The freestanding nature seems to be what makes it a winter tent, but I don’t know how it would stand up to a proper winter storm.
Well, we’re likely to be using the 350 in the same locations at the same time of year. So if you’ve not been cold 👍

There’s always a question with 3 or 4 season tent choices. I don’t think I’m likely to pitch it in strong winds, mid winter, on the Cairngorms plateau.

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Piemonster » Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:22 pm

ScotRoutes wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:37 pm
You're welcome to try out my Scarp 1 at any point.
That looks appropriately spacious. Just sneaks in under 2kg with the cross poles?

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by ScotRoutes » Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:29 pm

1,885g including crosspoles, pegs and bag.

The crosspoles are 353g.

That's the older version. Not sure of changes.

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Alpinum » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:32 pm

Is Criterion a UK subsidiary/distributor of Cumulus?

Anyhow, my girlfriend has a Cumulus Liteline 300 which seems very similar to the Criterion offer. We had a few nights round about -5 to - 7.5° C and she was warm. Mind, she was wearing dry layers and a thin puffy jacket.
Mostly she used it on a full length Therm-a-rest XLite and a 70 g EVA mat, out of the wind (in a tent, where we measured the tempereature).

For tents, I always find mid amazing.
The only lack of substance is when you get loads of wet snow. Even in high winds I find the likes of SMD Deschutes, Locud Khufu etc. to give ample protection. Also for the windy islands in the North Atlantic during an extra tropical cyclone. Trust me, I tried it :wink:

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:51 pm

Is Criterion a UK subsidiary/distributor of Cumulus?
No, 'tis a misconcetion as both companies shared a name for a while but are in fact completely unrelated in every way.
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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by htrider » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:35 pm

I'm a bit of a wuss so I don't use my cumulus / Criterion UL350 below 1 degree. I've used it at -4 with lots of clothes on and it was chilly. I'm 6'1" and my problem is that I stretch it a bit which I reckon is why I get cold. My cumulus 150 quilt is pretty much as warm and way lighter. Used together I'm warm to about -4 or 5 no bother.

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Alpinum » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:49 pm

Bearbonesnorm wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:51 pm
Is Criterion a UK subsidiary/distributor of Cumulus?
No, 'tis a misconcetion as both companies shared a name for a while but are in fact completely unrelated in every way.
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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Piemonster » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:35 am

htrider wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:35 pm
I'm a bit of a wuss so I don't use my cumulus / Criterion UL350 below 1 degree. I've used it at -4 with lots of clothes on and it was chilly. I'm 6'1" and my problem is that I stretch it a bit which I reckon is why I get cold. My cumulus 150 quilt is pretty much as warm and way lighter. Used together I'm warm to about -4 or 5 no bother.
That’s my concern being on the top limit for height. Even more so as I like to stretch out a little.

Hmm.

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by whitestone » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:33 am

Cumulus do custom bags - http://sleepingbags-cumulus.eu/uk/categ ... gs/creator Choose your base model and custom away!

Apparently they will also do custom quilts though I've not experience of those, around €25 for an extra baffle (which is 130mm) is the figure I've heard.
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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by htrider » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:02 pm

Piemonster wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:35 am
htrider wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:35 pm
I'm a bit of a wuss so I don't use my cumulus / Criterion UL350 below 1 degree. I've used it at -4 with lots of clothes on and it was chilly. I'm 6'1" and my problem is that I stretch it a bit which I reckon is why I get cold. My cumulus 150 quilt is pretty much as warm and way lighter. Used together I'm warm to about -4 or 5 no bother.
That’s my concern being on the top limit for height. Even more so as I like to stretch out a little.

Hmm.
Meant to say, I actually find having the 350 unzipped and using it like a quilt works better than having it zipped up, provided you use a full length mat to keep your underside toasty. This means you aren't stretching it and it seems to keep me warmer as there is more down on top of you. That said a cumulus 250 quilt is still lighter and probably warmer..... Its annoying being right on the limit between bag sizes!

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Piemonster » Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:40 am

Sooo, I think the sleeping bag is going to be custom. Helped along by an impending birthday.

I have PHD Designs and possibly Cumulus on the radar. Anyone else I should consider?

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:09 am

Enlightened equipment do a full range of custom quilts.
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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by rudedog » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:50 am


Is Criterion a UK subsidiary/distributor of Cumulus?

No, 'tis a misconcetion as both companies shared a name for a while but are in fact completely unrelated in every way.
Criterion used to be the UK distributor for Cumulus. I know this because when I bought my quilt a few years back I wasn't able to get a custom one direct from Cumulus due to them having a contract with Criterion as the sole UK distributor.

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:33 pm

Criterion used to be the UK distributor for Cumulus. I know this because when I bought my quilt a few years back I wasn't able to get a custom one direct from Cumulus due to them having a contract with Criterion as the sole UK distributor.
Uhm, something odd. When I reviewed a Criterion bag recently, I asked the question and was told there was never any link other than the name Cumulus?
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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by rudedog » Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:14 pm

Here is the email they sent (2015)

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:59:53 +0100
From: info@CUMULUS.PL
Subject: Re: [contact] cumulus.pl

Hello,

I'm sorry but we don't ship to the UK. It is a part our agreement with our British partner, Criterion sleeping bags. Cumulus will enter British market next year.

You can buy our products in the following stores, with the UK delivery:

http://www.trekking-lite-store.com/
http://www.bivvyonsummit.de/

Both stores have English speaking crews.

Best regards

Jacek Wylezek
Customer service

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www.cumulus.pl

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:04 pm

I wasn't saying you were wrong, simply that something's odd given the conflicting information :wink:
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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by The Cumbrian » Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:26 pm

I've got a Big Sky Chinook 2 person as my winter tent:

https://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk ... al-chinook

As a High Volume Human I don't like to be confined to a titchy one person tent during the long winter nights, so I went for the 2 person. There's a one person too that is obviously a bit lighter. Note that the weight quoted does not include pegs or guylines.

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Post by rudedog » Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:28 pm

:grin: aye no worries, I only checked my email as I had started to doubt myself and wondered if it actually happened or was just something I'd read on here 😂

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by Piemonster » Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:58 pm

The existing bag that does all this weighs 1.2kg and I’d rather it didn’t and can be retired to van camping where it can last a lifetime with care.
Correction, my current bag weighs 1.61kg

Does anyone have a good guide to sleeping bag ratings. I believe my existing bag is using the EN system.

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Re: Sleeping Bag Rated to -6 and a tent 3 edging into 4 season tent

Post by sean_iow » Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:01 pm

Ultralight Outdoor Gear is always a good source of info

https://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk ... -need-i303
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