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Would there be any interest? ... carbon pole content.

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:49 pm
by Bearbonesnorm
The carbon tarp poles from Ruta Locura in the US are a nice bit of kit but by the time you've added shipping and possible duty, they start to get a little expensive.

So, would there be any interest in something similar made closer to home?

I'd estimate prices around £30 for a sectional, metre long pole but that will depend a little on whether I used pultruded or wrapped tubes. Weight should be around 65g.

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:55 pm
by Taylor
Can you get custom lengths rather than just metre long?

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:09 pm
by Bearbonesnorm
Can you get custom lengths rather than just metre long?
Yeah I'd be able to make them at custom lengths ... just used 1m as a reference point. I reckon a standard length of 125cm would be the most useful.

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:15 pm
by Taylor
Can you get them adjustable like Ruta?

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:22 pm
by Bearbonesnorm
Can you get them adjustable like Ruta?
You mean, can I make them adjustable ... I'm looking into that. The trouble with adjustable is the adjuster becomes a weak point but that's not to say it couldn't be done.

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:57 pm
by Taylor
I'd be interested then.

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:15 pm
by barney
deffo interested Stu

currently in need of a pole/poles and have a bit of birthday money burning a hole in my pocket :D

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:18 pm
by Bearbonesnorm
Just awaiting some specs from the carbon suppliers. I'm thinking that offering custom lengths rather than a standard length will be the way forward.

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:38 pm
by Zippy
I'm guessing that these are a bit stiffer than the random bits of carbon pole you can find on eBay?

I'm potentially interested, say 50% interest rate ;)

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:01 pm
by Cheeky Monkey
Yip, one please.

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:04 pm
by jameso
Potential interest here too. If they came in 60cm sections that were modular, could use 2 front-centre and 1 each side, or 2 each front corner etc? Not sure if that's a good use tho as I'm still learning about tarp pitching.

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:29 pm
by Stevemorg
yep - interest here - my MSR pole is great but is a bit of a lump and I wouldn't mind a lighter option

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:07 pm
by FLV
Aye, sounds of interest to me too

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:40 pm
by Ian
pultruded or wrapped tubes
Before going to Ruta Locura, I did a lot of research into poles and doing it myself. Can't recall all the details, but iirc, pultruded poles are good in compression, and wrapped ones have good longitudinal strength and resist bending better. For a tarp pole, you want both characteristics. From what I have read, the RL pole is a custom multidirectional layup that has a high compression strength and a high resistance to bending.

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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:28 pm
by Bearbonesnorm
Before going to Ruta Locura, I did a lot of research into poles and doing it myself. Can't recall all the details, but iirc, pultruded poles are good in compression, and wrapped ones have good longitudinal strength and resist bending better. For a tarp pole, you want both characteristics. From what I have read, the RL pole is a custom multidirectional layup that has a high compression strength and a high resistance to bending.
Pultruded tubes have high longitudinal strength because they're unidirectional with the majority of the fibres running the length of the tube. They're not as good as wrapped tubes when it comes to resisting twisting or crushing but I don't think either of those forces is too much of a concern for a tarp pole. Wrapped poles are multidirectional which gives them good uniform strength in any direction.

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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:50 pm
by welshwhit
I reckon I'd be interested too

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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:07 pm
by InspiredRamblings
I'd be up for one too. Have an unused siltarp2 and was thinking I needed some poleage to make the most of it...

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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:50 pm
by crewlie
Interested, I won't always be lucky finding branches to do the job for me.

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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:37 pm
by Bearbonesnorm
Hopefully the first poles will be ready for testing towards the end of the week.

My plan is to make 'standard' poles in 30cm sections without shockcord down the centre so a longer pole can be used at various lengths, 150cm, 120cm or 90cm depending what's required ... custom lengths available too.

I'm hoping to do some all aluminium poles too, which should prove cheaper but slightly heavier.

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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:26 pm
by drain
Definitely interested!

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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:49 pm
by Bearbonesnorm
First prototype carbon pole. 1m long in 3 sections,12mm diameter and weighs in at 64g. Production ones will use wrapped poles so will have that 'carbon look' to them ;)

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EDIT: News just in from the Bear Bones barn is that the 'budget aluminium version' (1m long, 3 sections and 10mm diameter) tips the scales at 81g.

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Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:41 pm
by pushbikemike
I'm interested. Looking for a lighter pole than the MSR one I have for the Lair.

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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:47 pm
by u02sgb
What about an adjustable one? I've been looking for something to hold up my trailstar and the adjustable bottom on a walking pole was great when the wind whipped up overnight and I needed to drop the height.

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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:51 pm
by Taylor
For adjustable you could just have a 4,5,6 inch piece to slot in to a pole 3 piece pole for a Trailstar, not technically adjustable but it would give you the option of low, windy pitch to calm high pitch.

By the way, theres a modular inner on outdoors magic for sale at the moment if your interested.

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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:36 am
by u02sgb
Hmmm, I'll have a think about an extra extension pole. Thanks for the inner suggestion but I've already got an Oookworks inner for it!

Stu.