Is There Such a Thing as a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

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Is There Such a Thing as a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by The Cumbrian » Thu May 14, 2020 9:49 pm

As per the title really. Is there such a thing as a relatively secure coil type combination lock, or are the expensive ones not much better than the cheapos?
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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by Taylor » Thu May 14, 2020 10:06 pm

As a locksmith of nearly 20 years I feel I can have some authority on this thread.

No

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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by The Cumbrian » Thu May 14, 2020 10:51 pm

Ha ha, I thought not.

I should have been a little more specific. Which of the easily cuttable cable locks is the least bad?

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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by BenS » Fri May 15, 2020 7:43 am

I use a lightlock silver for some of my audax rides. It’s 600gr but feel like I can actually leave the bike out of sight and not have worry too much. Accepting the weight was the result of asking similar questions to the ones I think you’re asking

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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by psling » Fri May 15, 2020 8:05 am

Disc brakes? Combi padlock through rotor?

Stops the opportunist thief who doesn't want to put in time or effort.
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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by shutupthepunx » Fri May 15, 2020 8:13 am

i have an ottolock hexband 76cm which is 250g. they appear on sportpursuit now and then so u dont gotta pay fullwhack if u dont mind waiting [edit: £60 from sigma sports]. can be cut through but they all can. seems like an okay weight/security balance.

the rotar padlock idea sounds great if ur not worried about not having it locked to something
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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by PaulB2 » Fri May 15, 2020 8:20 am

I use a hiplock z lok combo for bikepacking, normally locking the rear wheel to the frame in some way- as psling says it won't stop a pro but it'll slow an opportunist.

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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by firestarter » Fri May 15, 2020 8:56 am

This is one reason I miss my rohloff bike, stick it in first gear and undoing the gearbox with your fingers took 2 secs , no one was going anywhere on it that you couldn't catch on foot :)

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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by FLV » Fri May 15, 2020 9:00 am

For me theres a few situations

1, unplanned hungry shop stop = nothing / my helmet strap through the wheel and maunally dropping the chain.
2, planned hungry shop stop = https://mobil.abus.com/uk/on-road/Locks ... 5?type=pdp
3, planned pub stop = https://mobil.abus.com/uk/on-road/Locks ... k?type=pdp
4, Leaving it outside all day whilst in work = https://www.kryptonitelock.com/content/ ... pe=bicycle
and https://mobil.abus.com/uk/on-road/Locks ... k?type=pdp

Obviously only the last two locks in number 4 have a chance of stopping a determined thief with a bit of time on thier hands and even then, its time limited.

Number 2 is only there to look like a lock really, number 3 will hopefully last long enough for me to eat a pie and stop the oppotunist.

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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by Taylor » Fri May 15, 2020 9:34 am

When doing something like WRT I don't bother with any lock as I'm normally trundling along with a small group.
If I'm riding solo I have a retrak alarm padlock that I think I picked up from PC world but by the looks of it they've stopped production.
This is very similar, it won't stop a thief but it'll put out nearly 120dB of noise which should hopefully make them put the bike down or alert you to the neanderthal fiddling with your bike.

Pretty light too.

LogiLink Security Padlock With Alarm Function for use with or without alarm Pack of 1, Black, black, SC0212 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01NCRH6HP/ ... VEbW4XCR01

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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by shutupthepunx » Fri May 15, 2020 11:49 am

Taylor wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 9:34 am
but by the looks of it they've speed production
i imagine there's more money in making phet anyway

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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by Taylor » Fri May 15, 2020 1:33 pm

shutupthepunx wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 11:49 am
Taylor wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 9:34 am
but by the looks of it they've speed production
i imagine there's more money in making phet anyway
Fixed it now, should've said stopped.

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Re: Is There Such a Thing as a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by Thisisnotaspoon » Fri May 15, 2020 9:27 pm

Im tempted to MYOG a lock. after losing my little alarmed one somewhere North of Peebles.

Something like 2.5mm stainless wire (dinghy rigging) threaded/spliced into some dyenema. Should resist anything shy of bolt cutters and not weigh all that much, just add a small padlock.

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Re: Is There Such a Thing ar a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by redefined_cycles » Fri May 15, 2020 10:00 pm

Taylor wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 10:06 pm
As a locksmith of nearly 20 years I feel I can have some authority on this thread.

No
I had come to a similar conclusion before U bought my Master Lock padlock with a seperate cable. Feel chuffed I got it right... Thanks Taylor

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Re: Is There Such a Thing as a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by Mike » Sat May 16, 2020 8:01 am

I bought a big fecking rottweiler to take running on rides and tie it to my bike when in cafes :-bd

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Re: Is There Such a Thing as a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by slarge » Sat May 16, 2020 8:34 am

Mike wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 8:01 am
I bought a big fecking rottweiler to take running on rides and tie it to my bike when in cafes :-bd
Does it let you near your bike?😂

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Re: Is There Such a Thing as a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by whitestone » Sat May 16, 2020 8:40 am

slarge wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 8:34 am
Mike wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 8:01 am
I bought a big fecking rottweiler to take running on rides and tie it to my bike when in cafes :-bd
Does it let you near your bike?😂
He doesn't know - there was a bitch on heat and the dog took off taking his bike with it! :lol:
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Re: Is There Such a Thing as a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by bluebus200 » Sat May 16, 2020 5:38 pm

Simple answer, no. The biggest factor in bike theft is where you leave the bike and at what time. If someone really wants the bike there is not a lock on the market that cannot be broken. The main deterrent is visibility imho. If m out bike packing I don't take a lock I just tie something very noisy to be the wheel, tbh though I've never had a problem. I've had two bikes stolen, all in towns and all had good locks on them. CCTV caught the last one.. Took him about 60 seconds to break a Kryptonite New York d lock. Decent pair of bolt croppers will be through any cable in seconds. Battery angle grinder for the rest.

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Re: Is There Such a Thing as a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by Pirahna » Sun May 17, 2020 9:33 pm

I found a combination lock earlier this year, posted on the local Facegroup but nobody claimed it so it's mine. It's a 4 digit thing from Halfords but how to open it? Five minutes watching the Lock Picking Lawyer on Youtube and I had the thing opened in under 30 seconds. I've got a small Abus combination lock I carry just in case, I can open that blindfold in under 30 seconds as well.

I used to carry a lock with a key. A few years ago I caught the train from London to Plymouth then cycled up to a pub on the edge of Dartmore. Had dinner and went to find a bivi spot for the night, wrong key. Yup, a couple of hundred miles from home with a padlocked bike and the wrong key. For reasons known only to himself, the chef had an angle grinder in the boot of his car.

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Re: Is There Such a Thing as a Decent, Lightweight Combination Lock?

Post by Taylor » Sun May 17, 2020 10:57 pm

The lock picking lawyer is frighteningly quick although when you understand how various locks work is quite simple too defeat them.

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