everyone is guilty until they can prove their innocence

slarge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:43 pm Ian- didn’t mean to be short in my response to you, it’s just all this happened last May, so whilst interesting (and we’d all love to know whodunnit) it’s hasn’t really been talked about for getting on for a year.

By the way, I had dropped out by day 2, so it wasn’t me!

Lazarus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:52 pm

everyone is guilty until they can prove their innocence

I dont think every rider is guilty - why would anyone think that?
the reality is one is,probably, and we dont know which one[ except the person who came last cannot be it ] and we never will , the rest is just speculation.
I am not sure its that helpful tbh. His race his call.

Dave Barter wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:24 am Are we sure the rider wasn't holding a kite at the time?

<niche bikepacking race humour attempt>

Lazarus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:52 pm

everyone is guilty until they can prove their innocence

I dont think every rider is guilty - why would anyone think that?
the reality is one is,probably, and we dont know which one[ except the person who came last cannot be it ] and we never will , the rest is just speculation.
I am not sure its that helpful tbh. His race his call.

The absence of published times and completions for all riders affects those for whom you could be certain it wasn't them, by virtue of their position relative to the finder of said packet. Wasn't trying to be unhelpful, Jon - just my observation. Like I said on my last comment, I'm not in any way criticising Alan for making the call he did.

slarge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:48 pm Did you finish last year Karl? I’ve forgotten

postierich wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:40 am My only ever DNF from a race/event such a shame thats been erased from the record books.

sean_iow wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:43 am

postierich wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:40 am My only ever DNF from a race/event such a shame thats been erased from the record books.

The bad news is that our shame and Karl's success is recorded on trackleaders for evermore

Not that he'd let me forget his result I'm sure

slarge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:26 am

sean_iow wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:43 am

postierich wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:40 am My only ever DNF from a race/event such a shame thats been erased from the record books.

The bad news is that our shame and Karl's success is recorded on trackleaders for evermore

Not that he'd let me forget his result I'm sure

But no one looks there Sean - it's the HT website that holds the truth, and there's no record of us dropping out, or Karl finishing. Almost like it never happened......

Adventurer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:56 pm No one will own up to having the Tramadol

If they did not have a prescription for it and owned up their could be legal issues of having possession of the drug.

I know in hospital it has to be kept locked behind two doors in the controlled drugs cupboard, with a single key holder and signed by two people on removal from the cupboard, administration and any left that’s not used.

Then signed by two people at start and end of shift.

So I’m not sure how this would affect someone carrying Tramadol (without a prescription) and what if any legal issues would be? Somebody better than me might know the answer?

Also, if another controlled drug was found, say morphine etc, this would have to be handed to the police as holding the drug could be a criminal offence. I’m not sure where Tramadol would fit into this?

Just as a side note, if issued by a pharmacy the packet would have had a named label on as they have to legally label them.
Also, was any Tramadol tablets left in the packet, if so, looking at the belowinfo I found, it would appear you would need to hand them in / report to police.

Ok Update....I’ve done a very quick search online

https://knowthescore.info/drugs-a-z/tramadol/

“Tramadol is a class C drug and is only available with a prescription from a doctor or other healthcare professional that is qualified to prescribe. As a class C drug, it is illegal for anyone else to supply tramadol, to have it or to give it away, even to friends.

If the Police arrest you in possession of tramadol unlawfully, they’ll always take some action. This could be a formal caution or arrest and possible conviction.

Having tramadol that is not prescribed for you for your own use (called illegal possession) could result in up to two years in prison and/or an unlimited fine. While selling or giving tramadol away for free, even to friends (called supplying) could result in up to fourteen years in prison and/or an unlimited fine.

A conviction for a drug-related offence could have a serious impact. It could make it harder, even impossible, to visit certain Countries- for example the United States – and limit the types of jobs you can apply for.”

Lazarus wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:37 pm what he said the facts were known from the first post everything here is the specualtion that he wanted to avoid
We dont know - and there are hundreds of plausible explanations that we cannot prove
Its ALL specualtion and its not helpful

YMMV

Cheeky Monkey wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:55 pm I'm not telling anyone what to do, hence:

YMMV

I just thought as the thread might be disappearing down a (steady SR) STW-type path that it might be worth considering why less fuss was made at the time. Still, the internet is a wonderful place for disappearing into rabbit holes all round and I've done it myself more than once

TBH, I'm just here for the Pandas