You do. Dee texted me in Italy to remind you to tell her you were still alive ;-)

That's not a phone. That's a PA

I can see people taking Bojos you can drive elsewhere to excersise babble as permission to drive to places with hills, bumps and lumps. But the communities they will pass through will not appreciate out of towers. 3 governments do not allow out of towners. Is Bojo aware that saying that is going to upset out favorite places to visit?

At least now I can just be jealous of people's all day rides on Strava now, rather being confused if I should be angry or not. This fence is pretty comfortable anyway.

I can see people taking Bojos you can drive elsewhere to excersise babble as permission to drive to places with hills, bumps and lumps.

they are going to take it that way because that is literally what it means
I am not defending it but it is what he has said [ as far as you can tell what he was saying in his vague rambling]

The vast majority of nice folk will not do this, there is people that will do it, which will sadly stand out more than the people doing good.

It's like he wrote the speech on a napkin in a Pizza Express in Woking.

I can see people taking Bojos you can drive elsewhere to excersise babble as permission to drive to places with hills, bumps and lumps. But the communities they will pass through will not appreciate out of towers. 3 governments do not allow out of towners. Is Bojo aware that saying that is going to upset out favorite places to visit?

Pitches the communities that get economic value from tourism, against those tourists - all based on perception of risk, a vague and emotive issue. It's so predictable. No way it won't have been foreseen. Meanwhile France has radius limitations on travel so they can work on departmental/regional control and "to avoid mixing populations from different areas.”

It's like he wrote the speech on a napkin in a Pizza Express in Woking.

Probably making sure he has an alibi in case he gets accused of sleeping with underage girls.

The vast majority of nice folk will not do this

I am not convinced the vast majority of humanity are nice but a large number will do - even 15-20 % is about 10 Million people doing this

Personally i think it will just be the parts near car parks that will be busy so I think I would be going to the paths less travelled

Still not doing anything other than walks outdoors.

Hundreds of people are still dying every day, and we're a LONG way away from getting a proper handle on this, especially now as we'll see an uptick from people going back to work / travelling via public transport / socialising more etc. I get that they want the economy restarted, and I get that some people need to get back to work... but it's going to cost lives to do it.

im being very generalising and making sweeping statements here but seems like more paid leisure time for the furloughed middle class while working class people continue to put themselves at risk working sh1t front line jobs that they dont have the luxury to not work.

i agree with the above point of the idea of herd imunity not going down so well so the government just backed off, doing a sh1t job of it in the meantime and getting what they wanted in the first place, all with the perception of trying/giving a f*ck

im being very generalising and making sweeping statements here but seems like more paid leisure time for the furloughed middle class while working class people continue to put themselves at risk working sh1t front line jobs that they dont have the luxury to not work.

Yep.

Sadly the data backs up that assertion.

Workers in low-skilled jobs are the most likely to die after contracting Covid-19, with male security guards among those with the highest death rates, new figures reveal.

Male construction workers, taxi drivers, bus and coach drivers, plant processing workers and chefs are also among those with the highest coronavirus death rates, according to figures released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-11/bri ... n-key-job/

There's not much guidance as to what's acceptable for exercising outside in the Fifty page document. I've just had a read through it and this is all I can find that seems to be relevant.
"People may exercise outside as many times each day as they wish. For example, this would include angling and tennis. You will still not be able to use areas like playgrounds, outdoor gyms or ticketed outdoor leisure venues, where there is a higher risk of close contact and touching surfaces. You can only exercise with up to one person from outside your household - this means you should not play team sports, except with members of your own household.

People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance, so long as they respect social distancing guidance while they are there, because this does not involve contact with people outside your household.

When travelling to outdoor spaces, it is important that people respect the rules in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and do not travel to different parts of the UK where it would be inconsistent with guidance or regulations issued by the relevant devolved administration."
No mention at all of not staying out so to me it seems like a discrete, non impacting bivvy wouldn't be against the rules in England. Whether it's morally the right thing to do is a separate debate I think.
PS, link to the full document here https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... y-strategy

The way I see my social responsibility is primarily to not catch and unwittingly spread the virus, and secondarily to be in good health. To give my immune system the best chance of fighting it without outside assistance.

To understand how not to catch/spread the virus, you need to understand how it spreads.

The COVID-19 virus spreads primarily through droplets of saliva or discharge from the nose when an infected person coughs or sneezes, so it’s important that you also practice respiratory etiquette (for example, by coughing into a flexed elbow).

WHO

Given this information a totally self supported (food, water, worst mechanical) solo stealth bivi feels totally justifiable. I am content to suffer where necessary, but having a built up trapped anxiety when the risk is negligible feels counterproductive.

I agree Ben, a bivi could seem wrong in the 'if everyone did what I do' test but at the same time I really don't see the risk or harm done by a responsible person doing it in the right place. It's hardly a popular activity in the first place is it

Depends how you interpret the if everyone statement. If everyone did that fringe thing that they like and can borderline justify with the wind blowing in the correct direction then, yes that would be too much. If it is everyone who wants to bivi once or twice a month, does that then it would be fine.

The thing holding me back is that other people may think I was in the wrong. It would add onto that blasted cyclists naughty list. Objectively life is actually fine, even if it feels relatively restricted, I still have it good compared to 99% of the world, so stop complaining

I was thinking about this while washing up ... yes, there is the guilt factor to consider but that aside. Is a solo stealth bivvy close to home better or worse and does it carry a lesser or greater risk to yourself and others than going to the supermarket / garden centre / drive through? People doing those things don't appear to feel guilty about it.

For me at least a self-sustained, short bivvy trip would be less risky than a trip to the shops - less chance of me spreading something and less chance of me catching something.

And if it's "OK" to be out cycling for a few hours then what difference does it make if I stop for a few hours mid ride? I'm not "taking the virus" any further, I could certainly be in a place that no one else is likely to frequent.

Now, it could be that I've become a bit more blasé about it because I'm pretty sure I've already had the bloody thing, but I'm still failing to see the added risk that a local overnight stop involves.

Tattle tail.......

You can only exercise with up to one person from outside your household - this means you should not play team sports, except with members of your own household.

Can you cycle with someone then? Its not a team sport if you use ITT rules [ i know it says 2m distancing but should be easy to maintain]
Asking for a friend



Finally how the heck does angling get classed as a sport - if that is a sport then sitting on your arse holding the remote is a sport / excercise

The new guidance allows you to cycle with one other person.

“You shouldn’t travel with someone from outside your household unless you can practise social distancing - for example by cycling.“

From here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... --exercise

Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 8:18 pm Is a solo stealth bivvy close to home better or worse and does it carry a lesser or greater risk to yourself and others than going to the supermarket / garden centre / drive through? People doing those things don't appear to feel guilty about it.

Bloody good question that I cant construct an answer to.

The current advice is to stay alert and use your common sense

Given this i expect pretty much a different answer from everyone you ask especially as different parts of the Uk have different rules
Wouldi where i live - nah
Where you live probably

For me it's still about risk of additional stress on the health system. Personal experience tells me cycling is significantly riskier than going to the shops.

A sensibly planned, local, rural bivy should present as good as zero additional risk to you or anyone else, compared to staying at home (and significantly less than going to the supermarket or even a popular park).

Might the act of doing so contribute to others making bad decisions about how they interpret the guidance? Possibly. But not if no one sees you.

Charliecres wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 7:22 am A sensibly planned, local, rural bivy should present as good as zero additional risk to you or anyone else, compared to staying at home (and significantly less than going to the supermarket or even a popular park).

Might the act of doing so contribute to others making bad decisions about how they interpret the guidance? Possibly. But not if no one sees you.

Exactly, there's a good reason for not posting every ride/etc online. If no-one knows it happened, did it happen? Just answer to yourself and know what you did was safe and sensible.
Not aimed at anyone on here, but if some managed to get past the idea that every damn thing needed sharing online we might be in a better place after all this.