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Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:11 pm

Uhm, Salsa have launched a new SS gravel bike / frame called the Stormchaser - it'll work 1 x as well as SS.

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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by voodoo_simon » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:29 pm

Want!

Not 100% on the colour but it’s singlespeed :-bd

Wonder how much?!

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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:32 pm

Wonder how much?!
It'll only be available in the UK as a F&F and cost about £1200.
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by Cyclepeasant » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:42 pm

I like the colour, :-bd ,especially if it was anodised,but won't be!
I don't the spendy bit..about 1500dollars? *Needs ratification!
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:45 pm

I don't the spendy bit..about 1500dollars? *Needs ratification!
£1200 is direct from the horses mouth.
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by voodoo_simon » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:07 pm

Bearbonesnorm wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:32 pm
Wonder how much?!
It'll only be available in the UK as a F&F and cost about £1200.
£1200 for frame and fork?! :shock:

Can get a fully built Trek Checkpoint at that price and then convert it over as it’s SS compatible with its stranglehold (?) dropouts

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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by sean_iow » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:10 pm

The salsa website described the thinking behind it as a cheap singlespeed to use when conditions are too bad for the good bike? So £1200 for frame and fork is somewhat wide of the mark?

It needed to be half or a third of that to be cheap?

I like the new flat mount alternator dropouts.
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by ScotRoutes » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:17 pm

£1200 you say? Maybe that's real gold plate.

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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by atk » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:24 pm

sean_iow wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:10 pm
The salsa website described the thinking behind it as a cheap singlespeed to use when conditions are too bad for the good bike? So £1200 for frame and fork is somewhat wide of the mark?

It needed to be half or a third of that to be cheap?

I like the new flat mount alternator dropouts.
You've got to remember the Salsa website is targeted at a US audience and ignore the exchange rate/tax/import etc.. They list the full bike for 1500USD and frameset for 1099USD puts pretty much between the old 4310 All City Nature Boy and new Nature Boy A.C.E, which seem like the closest comparison in the QBP range.

Same applies to the Bridge Club - in the US it's great value, over here, it doesn't seem as good value compared to offerings from Planet X, Genesis etc. I've seen a write up about the difference in costs somewhere but can't find it at the moment.
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by voodoo_simon » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:26 pm

sean_iow wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:10 pm
The salsa website described the thinking behind it as a cheap singlespeed to use when conditions are too bad for the good bike? So £1200 for frame and fork is somewhat wide of the mark?

It needed to be half or a third of that to be cheap?

I like the new flat mount alternator dropouts.
Exactly this ^^^

My el mariachi F+F* cost me £500ish

My Mukluk cost half that but should have cost ~£500.

*admittedly with a steel fork but still...

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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by Cyclepeasant » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:47 pm

:| Gulp! £1200 for a ss?
Probably f+f £600 and £600 for the trick dropouts!! 🤷
Probably higher spec components???
(Says the person with £1k hub gears) :roll:
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by FLV » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:48 pm

Wowsers.....
It was only a sniff more for my Pinnacle Arkose D3 full bike with rather decent kit on it.

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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by Lazarus » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:05 pm

i remember when SS were your parts bin bike and whilst i adore mine and ride it often £1200 for a frame and fork combo that is not titanium is absurd - and if its titanium its still absurd



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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:39 pm

I did anticipate a response along the lines of 'f*ck me, how much?". :wink: I don't know if I'm out of touch with stuff or not (surely if you are then you're not aware of it anyway) but it does seem like a lot if money with very little in the way of usp aside from the badge. Are Salsa putting themselves beyond the reach (and if so, that probably also means interest) of the average rider?
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by Ian » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:42 pm

Underwhelmed. What’s so special about it, apart from the gold plate?

I built my first singlespeed for £300, iirc, using second hand parts, based on a Singular Swift. Granted, I have a much more expensive SS now, but those where the days :-bd
That said, there must be a cheaper option in the UK via Singular and others than the Salsa, surely?

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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by whitestone » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:59 pm

Indeed. I built up a singlespeed from an old On-One frame. It would have cost me about £20 for the SS kit but I had to replace the rear wheel as that had an Alfine hub and the front wheel was a dynamo hub that had been moved to my commuter so all up it ended up costing about £120 with the extra £100 being wheels and tyres.

I did the Dirty Reiver on it so it can't have been that bad :wink:
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by jameso » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:00 pm

frameset for 1099USD
That's a hilarious price. I could take a pretty close guess what that costs out the factory door. I tend not to comment on some of the crazy markups I see on things but that's just going a bit far.

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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by johnnystorm » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:16 pm

FWIW I'm certainly not in the market for a £1200 single speed frameset but playing Devil's advocate here regarding some points made:

1. Not sure Salsa have ever been that obtainable or a value option

2. Comparing a brand new bike to what you can build a second hand bike for is moving the goal posts a bit

3. The trek with SS dropouts is £1700 but is available as a frameset for £800

4. Would a £1200 Ti frame come with a fancy carbon fork or anything other than plain gauge pipe that probably doesn't have the mythical zing?

5. Gold plate. Err, no defending that! :lol:

6. Their pricing has always been weird. My Fargo had an rrp of £1300 and my Spearfish £2200. Definitely not an £900 of value between the two, even taking their different frame designs into account.
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by whitestone » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:18 pm

A quick search around the usual suspects and Ribble do an aluminium gravel bike frame with carbon fork for £600. About 2kg for the F&F. Their "gravel" build is £1300.
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by Lazarus » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:23 pm

Would a £1200 Ti frame come with a fancy carbon fork or anything other than plain gauge pipe that probably doesn't have the mythical zing?
the camino ti is about that price for as is the ribble offering - both come with a carbon fork

Walty - consderably lower than those prices but no fork - £6-800 inc taxes depending on type for off the shelf no idea for bespoke
EDIT:I did this from memory

Disclosure two I was looking at themlast night as toying with a Ti for m y 50th
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Post by ScotRoutes » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:24 pm

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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by sean_iow » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:26 pm

As I own two Salsas I'm obviously a fan. I wouldn't have been suprised by the price but their website says, and this is copied and pasted directly,

“That day convinced me that we had an opportunity to create a solution. An inexpensive single speed gravel bike, made of metal, that could be used for events when conditions are truly horrible, or for wet weather training, so that riders don’t need to trash the bikes they’ve invested so much in. It would also serve dedicated single speeders.”

It's a good job the solution wasn't a high end single speed as the price world have been eye-watering :lol:
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by johnnystorm » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:32 pm

Lazarus wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:23 pm
Would a £1200 Ti frame come with a fancy carbon fork or anything other than plain gauge pipe that probably doesn't have the mythical zing?
the camino ti is about that price for as is the ribble offering - both come with a carbon fork

Walty - consderably lower than those prices but no fork - £6-800 inc taxes depending on type for off the shelf no idea for bespoke
EDIT:I did this from memory

Disclosure two I was looking at themlast night as toying with a Ti for m y 50th
But are they plain gauge pipe with fancy carbon forks, adjustable dropouts, internal routing and so on? :wink:
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Re: Salsa go SS Gravel.

Post by johnnystorm » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:32 pm

sean_iow wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:26 pm
As I own two Salsas I'm obviously a fan. I wouldn't have been suprised by the price but their website says, and this is copied and pasted directly,

“That day convinced me that we had an opportunity to create a solution. An inexpensive single speed gravel bike, made of metal, that could be used for events when conditions are truly horrible, or for wet weather training, so that riders don’t need to trash the bikes they’ve invested so much in. It would also serve dedicated single speeders.”

It's a good job the solution wasn't a high end single speed as the price world have been eye-watering :lol:
That is the kicker "inexpensive". :lol:
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