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Max Effort
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Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by Max Effort » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:37 pm

Thinking of getting a Genesis Vagabond.
Seems like a good design from a reputable brand.
Lots if good reviews.
Does anyone have any experience of them?
Thanks for the help 🙂👍

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by NorwayCalling » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:53 pm

is it any good
- yes and rides nicely - however its not in anyway "light" or "responsive". Load it up with bikepacking kit and this becomes a moot point anyway. Also frame size is a bit non-standard, you do need to get a leg over one before committing.

I liked my time with this bike
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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by Thisisnotaspoon » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:17 pm

I agree with the NorwayCalling about it not being light or responsive. Although I didn't get on with it. Always felt like Id pedal as hard as I could and it just went "and what do you want me to do about it".

Conversely my CAADX is an over excited spanniel yelping "again, again, come on, lets GO, is that all we've got, come on!"

I kept the CAADX (and a conventional steel 29er hardtail) and sold the Vagabond.

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by Max Effort » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:20 pm

NorwayCalling wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:53 pm
is it any good
- yes and rides nicely - however its not in anyway "light" or "responsive". Load it up with bikepacking kit and this becomes a moot point anyway. Also frame size is a bit non-standard, you do need to get a leg over one before committing.

I liked my time with this bike
Thanks for the advice.
I wasn’t really after anything lightweight. More like a good, reliable all rounder.
You’re right about the sizing. I’d have to get a large instead of my usual medium sized frame.
Thanks again 🙂👍

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by Max Effort » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:25 pm

Thisisnotaspoon wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:17 pm
I agree with the NorwayCalling about it not being light or responsive. Although I didn't get on with it. Always felt like Id pedal as hard as I could and it just went "and what do you want me to do about it".

Conversely my CAADX is an over excited spanniel yelping "again, again, come on, lets GO, is that all we've got, come on!"

I kept the CAADX (and a conventional steel 29er hardtail) and sold the Vagabond.
Very interesting.
I already have a hard tail/rigid (depending on which forks I fit), On-One Inbred 29er. If this isn’t even as good as that, would there be much point in getting one?

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by NorwayCalling » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:59 pm

Max Effort wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:25 pm

I already have a hard tail/rigid (depending on which forks I fit), On-One Inbred 29er. If this isn’t even as good as that, would there be much point in getting one?
You would not notice any significant improvement over the ridged Inbred - both would be about the same weight and TBH ride characteristics would not be poles apart. Its all depends on if you are desperate for the drop bar look and feel.
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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by Max Effort » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:26 pm

NorwayCalling wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:59 pm
Max Effort wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:25 pm

I already have a hard tail/rigid (depending on which forks I fit), On-One Inbred 29er. If this isn’t even as good as that, would there be much point in getting one?
You would not notice any significant improvement over the ridged Inbred - both would be about the same weight and TBH ride characteristics would not be poles apart. Its all depends on if you are desperate for the drop bar look and feel.
I’m beginning to think that too.

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by jaminb » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:48 pm

Love mine

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by restlessshawn » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:51 pm

"however its not in anyway "light" or "responsive".

hmm, I've been casually eyeing one as a bikepacking iron horse but this kind of puts me off. I thought my CDF was a tank and sold it on :???:

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by Max Effort » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:53 pm

jaminb wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:48 pm
Love mine

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That is identical to the one I’m interested in.
Can I ask what you like and dislike about it?
Thanks for the help 🙂👍

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by Fat tyre kicker » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:10 pm

I had one, lovely bike and well made but I have to agree with
' not light or responsive', I did a 20 mile towpath/semi rough stuff
Ride on it and it felt like 50, that was with a thudbuster on it too !!

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by Loki » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:16 pm

I have two over the last few years, a really nice bike to ride, handles well, the only real downside, the reach was not really long enough for me, I wish it shared the geometry of the Genesis Croix de Fer, plus anything cage mounts on the fork, it really could use them.
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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by jaminb » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:48 pm

Max Effort

My Vagabond suits my local riding conditions and my style of riding. I live a 15 mile ride of tame trails and minor roads to the Surrey Hills. My Arkrose is too uncomfortable, when loaded, to tackle the off road sections, my Longitude too slow and boring getting there. I have done several off road tours in Brittany and Belgium. Brittany was 120 mile round trip for a working holiday carrying 45kg of gear.

The Vagabond is heavy but in my mind this is offset by the level of comfort it provides. I think the steel frame and forks and high bar position all contribute to this. Once up to speed it just bowls along not. I often commute 20 miles each way on mixed surfaces into London or Beconsfield and I reckon it is about 5 mins slower over an 1 hour 40 than the Arkose but a more enjoyable ride.

Spec wise mine is still standard off the peg. Spyre brakes are adequate, the bottom bracket was replaced after 6 months, bar end shifters just work and I have just replaced the tyres with 2.1 ThunderBurts but I am not sure these are an improvement. The originals and new went tubeless fine. Some cheap plastic SKS mudgaurds fitted easily (with a bit of adaption), as did a Spesh Pizza rack.

I am 5'10" and went medium. I do occasionally catch my toe on the front wheel/mudgaurd

Anything else let me know

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by jaminb » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:53 pm

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by Max Effort » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:32 pm

jaminb wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:48 pm
Max Effort

My Vagabond suits my local riding conditions and my style of riding. I live a 15 mile ride of tame trails and minor roads to the Surrey Hills. My Arkrose is too uncomfortable, when loaded, to tackle the off road sections, my Longitude too slow and boring getting there. I have done several off road tours in Brittany and Belgium. Brittany was 120 mile round trip for a working holiday carrying 45kg of gear.

The Vagabond is heavy but in my mind this is offset by the level of comfort it provides. I think the steel frame and forks and high bar position all contribute to this. Once up to speed it just bowls along not. I often commute 20 miles each way on mixed surfaces into London or Beconsfield and I reckon it is about 5 mins slower over an 1 hour 40 than the Arkose but a more enjoyable ride.

Spec wise mine is still standard off the peg. Spyre brakes are adequate, the bottom bracket was replaced after 6 months, bar end shifters just work and I have just replaced the tyres with 2.1 ThunderBurts but I am not sure these are an improvement. The originals and new went tubeless fine. Some cheap plastic SKS mudgaurds fitted easily (with a bit of adaption), as did a Spesh Pizza rack.

I am 5'10" and went medium. I do occasionally catch my toe on the front wheel/mudgaurd

Anything else let me know

Ben
Thanks for the detailed reply.
That sounds pretty good.
The one I’m after is a large & should fit fine (I’m 5’10”).
It’s had very little use and has been well looked after.
The current owner wants £500 for it, which includes a Topeak ST rear rack, a Specialized front Pizza rack and a Topeak expanding rack pack.
I think it may be worth a punt?

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by jaminb » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:19 pm

Sounds like a good price - Genesis bikes do seam to depreciate quickly. I would try if for size, I tried the large and it was too big so went for a medium despite my Longitude being a large.

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by NorwayCalling » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:56 pm

Thanks for the detailed reply.
That sounds pretty good.
The one I’m after is a large & should fit fine (I’m 5’10”).
It’s had very little use and has been well looked after.
The current owner wants £500 for it, which includes a Topeak ST rear rack, a Specialized front Pizza rack and a Topeak expanding rack pack.
I think it may be worth a punt?
£500 ... yes. If it fits... at 5:10 you are on the cusp of "small for a large" and "big for a medium" but that's all to do with leg and arm length. As I said, odd size so you will need to get a leg over one first.

£1300 for a new one... no.
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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by Thisisnotaspoon » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:54 am

Mine was a large and im 6ft, actually felt much bigger than most drop bar' d bikes, which might have contributed to it feeling slow. Did have a 110mm stem on it though whereas I think most have 90/100?

Unless you disslike the low flat bar position on the inbred i think it will end up quite similar. I thought it would replace my steel ht and cross bikes but in reality it was the worst of both and didn't really excel anywhere.

Im sure there's a niche of people for whom its vaguely exciting. But Id suggest that your inbred may well be just as good, and an aluminium cross bike certainly covers the miles easier.

I quite fancy the on one free ranger to see if lighter a more comfortable frame makes a difference for a similar intended use.

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Re: Genesis Vagabond - any good?

Post by Gummikuh » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:08 pm

I have one, in fact rode to work on it this morning.

I built mine from a frameset though. I think it is pretty ace, it seems a little heavy, but rolls along quite nicely.
I struggled to get stem height right to begin with and I was up and down all over the place.
I think not having eyelets on the forks is a mistake, but not the end of the world.

It looks better with bags on!

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