I know I shouldn't be surprised any more ....

[Cheeky Monkey]

It's the judicious use of Pandas

But look, I didn't mention STW to cause an inter-forum beat-down, just to emphasise that this place was different and in being so, to me, meant it was my preference.

Here's sending love and cuddles to everyone this morning

[RIP]

"cuddles to everyone" - woah, you're invading my body space now!

(you just can't win )

[burty]

if the piece was wrote by Kathrine moor , wasn't that the lass who you had the tiff with on book face, stu
in regard to gravel rides and fires . all taylors fault if I recall

[techno]

**Double post

[techno]

Despite trying to be friendly, inclusive and helping to promote the joyful world of bikepacking for well over a decade, I can't help feel that the industry still views this place and those who frequent it with a degree of suspicion or unease.

This bucks the trend a bit stu:
"Stuart has been instrumental in growing the British bikepacking scene, so it’s great to have one of his fabled routes on the site"
https://bikepacking.com/bikes/editors-d ... 019-picks/

[Bearbonesnorm]

Genuinely glad Cass enjoyed it enough to include it on his list.

[Dave Barter]

Despite trying to be friendly, inclusive and helping to promote the joyful world of bikepacking for well over a decade, I can't help feel that the industry still views this place and those who frequent it with a degree of suspicion or unease.

This bucks the trend a bit stu:
"Stuart has been instrumental in growing the British bikepacking scene, so it’s great to have one of his fabled routes on the site"
https://bikepacking.com/bikes/editors-d ... 019-picks/

Dammit that link cost me money as it appears the Helter Skelters are exactly what I am looking for

[psling]

Dammit that link cost me money as it appears the Helter Skelters are exactly what I am looking for

I have some Dave and rate them. I've had quite a bit of Ground Effect gear over the years and it has all been quality kit IMO. The Helter Skelters kept my nether regions dry as a bone during a few days of torrential rain (one of Reg's trips so when I say rain, I mean rain!) back in September when they were seriously assaulted by the wet stuff from above and below. Only had them for about a year so can't comment on long-term wear & tear.

[Dave Barter]

Dammit that link cost me money as it appears the Helter Skelters are exactly what I am looking for

I have some Dave and rate them. I've had quite a bit of Ground Effect gear over the years and it has all been quality kit IMO. The Helter Skelters kept my nether regions dry as a bone during a few days of torrential rain (one of Reg's trips so when I say rain, I mean rain!) back in September when they were seriously assaulted by the wet stuff from above and below. Only had them for about a year so can't comment on long-term wear & tear.

Good to know Pete. Their customer service is ace as well. I misstyped my email address in the excitement and they sorted it ASAP

[techno]

Despite trying to be friendly, inclusive and helping to promote the joyful world of bikepacking for well over a decade, I can't help feel that the industry still views this place and those who frequent it with a degree of suspicion or unease.

This bucks the trend a bit stu:
"Stuart has been instrumental in growing the British bikepacking scene, so it’s great to have one of his fabled routes on the site"
https://bikepacking.com/bikes/editors-d ... 019-picks/

Dammit that link cost me money as it appears the Helter Skelters are exactly what I am looking for

happy to help

[PaulB2]

Despite trying to be friendly, inclusive and helping to promote the joyful world of bikepacking for well over a decade, I can't help feel that the industry still views this place and those who frequent it with a degree of suspicion or unease.

This bucks the trend a bit stu:
"Stuart has been instrumental in growing the British bikepacking scene, so it’s great to have one of his fabled routes on the site"
https://bikepacking.com/bikes/editors-d ... 019-picks/

Dammit that link cost me money as it appears the Helter Skelters are exactly what I am looking for

Did you just order them direct or did you find a UK stockist?

[psling]

Dammit that link cost me money as it appears the Helter Skelters are exactly what I am looking for

Did you just order them direct or did you find a UK stockist?

As far as I'm aware Ground Effect don't have stockists, they are an on-line supplier outside of NZ. Duty on receipt is hit & miss in my experience.

[Dave Barter]

Ordered direct from NZ

[PaulB2]

Ta muchly, something to add to wishlist

[middleagedmadness]

Only just noticed this thread and apologise for not reading it through , but when I found you lot , I seemed to fit straight in which for me is quite unusual as I’m very blunt and straight with people,and I prefer people who are the same , so it makes me think that maybe we all come across as maybe a touch unapproachable because of the no nonsense slagging of each other , it’s more like a family dynamic on here and people sometimes are a bit scared to just throw themselves in the middle of it , where as me and a lot on don’t give a feck if we get slagged or not
Also there’s a lot of very strong riders on here who don’t make a song and dance about what they’ve achieved so there’s little publicity for the “boner” who can
Just my 2 penneth