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Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by Dave Barter » Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:10 pm

I may be in the market for a light bike with a bit of bounce at the front. What’s good in carbon that would take a framebag and work for more technical bikepacking?

Johnclimber if you say lauf I’ll be round with a knitting needle to take to your packrafts.
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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by Wotsits » Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:21 pm

Pivot Les all the way for Divide-Riders Dave! :cool:

Can also convert to single speed with a change of drop-outs..
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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by GregMay » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:48 pm

LES would be high on my list - but the frame space isn't the largest.
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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by benp1 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:50 pm

Also isn’t there a Shand one, although looks like a generic Chinese carbon job

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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by Pirahna » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:00 pm

My Stumpjumper does quite well.

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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by In Reverse » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:09 am

Sonder Transmitter Dave? 65 deg head angle so should handle the rowdies and will take 29 or B+. Decent triangle size too.

Nige/mbnut bought one fairly recently and seems to have been very impressed.

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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by FLV » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:30 am

Santa cruz do a couple. Highball or chameleon depending on how much bounce you want.

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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by whitestone » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:36 am

The Fatster? https://fatsterbike.com/the-fatster-tech-spec-pics/

Alex Pilkington (it's his blog in the link) had one at last year's HT550, crazy light - there was a lot of "go and pick that bike up, go on" closely followed by "What the ... ?" No idea how it rides.
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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by Mariner » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:44 am

What about the Chinese Carbon Frame route?
You could probably end up with an unbranded one that you would pay more for with a label.
Lots of treads on other websites usually under 'Chinese Carbon Frame will I die?'. :shock:

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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by ScotRoutes » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:05 pm

Yeah, better to stick with Ti. Think of the weight you'll save by not needing to cover the frame with protective tape :-bd

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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by redefined_cycles » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:21 pm

Dave... I have the transmitter carbon (I'm 5ft11) which you'll be hard pushed to go much lower in (pure frame) weight...

The forks are a bit crappy (or just need a good service or a good tune up) but you're more than welcome to borrow it for a few weeks.

Please don't swear at it though and you're welcome to try it out with a different set of forks if you wanna

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Post by redefined_cycles » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:23 pm

*afair its at the 1200g mark that frame which really is cutting edge and came with 5 years warranty and they (AK) said it's their strongest frame yet!!

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Post by stevenshand » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:31 pm

benp1 wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:50 pm
Also isn’t there a Shand one, although looks like a generic Chinese carbon job
The Shand thing never really happened although there were a few prototypes kicking around (Rickie Cotter rode one on her TDR ride), Emily Chappell won the Strathpuffer a couple of years ago on one. I still ride one.

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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by stevewaters » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:41 pm

I have a Sonder Transmitter Carbon too. I used it on the HT550 ITT and the Ard Moors Enduro this year with 130mm Revelation forks and 2.6" tyres and was very happy.
I have now got 130/160mm Pike forks on it (no fault of the bike - just because I personally needed to raise the front end because of my inflexibility/poor bike posture putting too much weight onto my hands).
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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by BreninBeener » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:33 pm

I have a Cube Reaction carbon frame. Running 1x10 with some rigid 29 forks. It has some fairly ordinary wheels. Its 10.25kg. The carbon eastons take me to 9.25. It has a carbon seat post an bars. Im 80 kg. I used it for italy divide this year and it was ace. The frame was €250 from ze germans.
As it was built up from parts i had, it was a super cheap build. Highly recommend.
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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by slarge » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:54 pm

Any hardtail frame is good for bikepacking (my Planet X Dirty Harry (probably a cheap Chinese frame) is light (circa 9kg with some trick bits and bouncy forks)) has done lots of bikepacking, ITT's and short races - fast, comfortable, light etc etc.

Frame triangle isn't massive, but a full frame bag does fit, or an Ocelot type framebag fits with a water bottle.

Not sure you can still buy this frame, but there's loads of generic Chinese frames on tinternet

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Post by ericrobo » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:36 pm

Dave

My main bike is a Scott Scale 900, very light at 21 lbs with pedals....

HOWEVER !

I would NOT recommend Scott anymore.
Doing the Borders 220 a couple of years ago the seat stay cracked ! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I didn’t see it at the time but there was an annoying noise one day after breakfast, which disappeared after a mile.

And Scott did not honour the warranty, which I thought was 5 years. (They had changed it to 3 at a later point than when I bought it.... think, anyway I couldn’t convince them, though it was just 2 months over 3 years.

A mate who is very technical explained how there can be weak spots in the carbon, but all that should be thoroughly tested before release. A bit like weave and warp in fabrics.

They did offer a reduced price replacement frame, for £1200 instead of £2000, and my lbs (Cooksons Whitefield) gave up his margin, so I got it for £800. :-bd :-bd

So I’m into carbon, despite that.

I would recommend a Canyon Exceed, very light, guaranteed 6 years.
(James Hayden was in one in this year’s HT550)

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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by Dave Barter » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:04 am

redefined_cycles wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:21 pm
Please don't swear at it though and you're welcome to try it out with a different set of forks if you wanna
Very kind offer Shaf, thank you but I could never make such a guarantee and I'm a tiddly 5'8"

Thanks to all the other ideas. I've got to swing a deal with a big customer next week to fund this so wish me luck. Definitely going carbon though as I am enjoying the ride on the Cutthroat. It may be utter bollox but modern carbon feels a bit more springy than Ti at the back. To me anyway
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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by ScotRoutes » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:08 am

I reckon it very much depends on the frame design and carbon layup. If I wanted to be sure of a comfy posterior I'd be looking at a Trek Procaliber.

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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by johnnystorm » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:35 am

If you like how your Cutthroat rides then keep it in the family and get a woodsmoke! Takes plus and 29er wheels for a bit of variety...
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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by Dave Barter » Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:23 pm

Apparently it has been discontinued. I already asked Shona and Rich
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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by BigdummySteve » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:04 pm

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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by ScotRoutes » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:14 pm

£1,700 for a carbon frame?
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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by BigdummySteve » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:44 pm

ScotRoutes wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:14 pm
£1,700 for a carbon frame?
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Wait until you see the price of a cutthroat frame :shock:
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Re: Carbon Hardtail, bike packing capable

Post by johnnystorm » Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:25 pm

Dave Barter wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:23 pm
Apparently it has been discontinued. I already asked Shona and Rich
Argh.
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