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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by Jamesh » Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:08 am

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^ Would be surprised. Josh is an experienced racer and his / Mason's Instagram is all photos he's taken or reposts.

Read that radavist artice. Bloody 'ell. Opinions are like.. :) wonder if anyone will want to document the TD in future. Prob not. A shame in a way as Spencer Harding's photos are excellent.
I'd find it surprising too given his pedigree. Only mention it has have no idea regarding the extra crew, and the few photos I seem to cast my eye on are often mason/hunt tagged. Seem to be pushing out the content at least

Putting the somewhat philosophical debate to one side. Very much feel for lael, rue and spencer who seem to have undertaken this project with a lot of respect and jumped through multiple hoops to then be slammed by some folk who seem to be 'watcher not doer' trolls.
The comments/outcry/abuse aren't going to encourage many to undertake a documentation in the near future but surely it will. As such I think they would be hard pressed to find a crew showing the same level of respect, thoughtfulness and folk who had given such much back to the race.

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by redefined_cycles » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:25 am

Just thought this should maybe live here... Sofianes Interview (1 of many I imagine as I think theres another one flying about by a canada radio station):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/s ... 0442992315 (if it doesnt work in google then Firefox browser is your freind (or friend or frend)

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by techno mail » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:24 am

Sweary Dave's accommodation for the night looks interesting: https://www.divideridershostel.com/#
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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:55 am

Dave on top of a rather large 'hill' a short while a go.

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:43 am

Apologies for the random thoughts below but maybe it'll spark something or at least kill 20 seconds ....

In my mind, the TD was the 'Holy Grail'. It was something you most probably worked towards for years, steadily gaining experience and losing weight until you not only felt that you were ready for it but also that you could do it the justice it deserved. Perhaps sadly, we now live in a bucket list society where those with the means will devour just about any experience that they're told is worthy of inclusion on their list.

If your goal is to simply collect experiences for no greater reason than vanity, then you really are unlikely to be too concerned about history, ethos or even rules - especially those that appear more akin to semi flexible guidelines. Quite obviously, the route is there all year round (conditions permitting) and it appears that some people would be better served riding the route away from the grand depart when their actions and choices wouldn't impact on the integrity of 'a race' but going back to my previous point - these people probably don't give a toss what impact they have and which sounds better, "I rode from Canada to Mexico" or "I raced the TD"?

I don't really see that there's anyway to put the cat back in the bag now. Sadly, I believe the TD is less a victim of its own success and more a casualty of media.

As a slight aside, someone many of you will know was asked by a high end clothing company if she'd give a series of talks about her time racing the SIlk Road. Her reply was something like, "why the f*ck would I do that, who the f*ck wants to hear me talk about my holiday - I'm just riding my f*cking bike". Maybe we actually need more of that? :wink:
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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by ScotRoutes » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:24 am

Observation:

The conflict here appears to be because the filmers are doing it for one rider. An independent film crew, not related to any rider, would not have had so many issues.

It seems inevitable that sponsorship, by any means, brings with it an expectation of increased publicity. As home-made vlogs get better (witness someone like Barry Godin) it's going to take a professional/dedicated film crew to create something so much better that it will guarantee increased product exposure.

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:45 am

Very true Colin. I did think that a film showing a run along the TD by an individual outside of the 'race' could be a compromise, although it probably wouldn't have the same draw and therefor worth to any sponsors, etc.
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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by ScotRoutes » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:53 am

When Lee and Ricky did the TDR together and filmed it, didn't they basically take themselves out of the event? I thought they started after the GD for this reason.

And when Vedangi was doing her round-the-world pedal she slowly dropped the "self-supported" bit as she was regularly meeting up with a film crew.

It seems that both decisions were, in retrospect, better thought through.

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by In Reverse » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:53 pm

Bearbonesnorm wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:43 am

As a slight aside, someone many of you will know was asked by a high end clothing company if she'd give a series of talks about her time racing the SIlk Road. Her reply was something like, "why the f*ck would I do that, who the f*ck wants to hear me talk about my holiday - I'm just riding my f*cking bike". Maybe we actually need more of that? :wink:
Better tell Karl not to bother with his HT550 talk the night before the Jenn ride then :wink:

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by Karl » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:11 pm

In Reverse wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:53 pm
Bearbonesnorm wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:43 am

As a slight aside, someone many of you will know was asked by a high end clothing company if she'd give a series of talks about her time racing the SIlk Road. Her reply was something like, "why the f*ck would I do that, who the f*ck wants to hear me talk about my holiday - I'm just riding my f*cking bike". Maybe we actually need more of that? :wink:
Better tell Karl not to bother with his HT550 talk the night before the Jenn ride then :wink:
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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by Wotsits » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:21 pm

Go Dave!!!! :-bd
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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by ZeroDarkBivi » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:06 pm

Just read that bit on the Radavist. Interesting, and if it is true, JP is emerging as the Lance Armstrong of bikepacking (it was never about the drugs). I hope his inappropriate and hypocritical comments are investigated by his sponsors, and, if validated, lead to a termination of their relationship. I for one won't touch another Salsa whilst he is one of their poster boys.

Edit: I have just emailed Salsa to express my disappointment.
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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by voodoo_simon » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:12 pm

Back to the race, about 70 miles to go at the pointy end...

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by FLV » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:30 pm

ZeroDarkBivi wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:06 pm
Just read that bit on the Radavist. Interesting, and if it is true, JP is emerging as the Lance Armstrong of bikepacking (it was never about the drugs). I hope his inappropriate and hypocritical comments are investigated by his sponsors, and, if validated, lead to a termination of their relationship. I for one won't touch another Salsa whilst he is one of their poster boys.

Edit: I have just emailed Salsa to express my disappointment.
Unfortunately enough people dont know of his history but will join the face book bandwagon. It will probably be good for sales.

I'm off salsa too (apart from the stuff I already own), but for other reasons documented on this forum.

Indeed though, back to the race.

Go Dave.

and, it look unlikely anyone will catch Chris though?

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by BigdummySteve » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:10 pm

ZeroDarkBivi wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:06 pm
Just read that bit on the Radavist. Interesting, and if it is true, JP is emerging as the Lance Armstrong of bikepacking (it was never about the drugs). I hope his inappropriate and hypocritical comments are investigated by his sponsors, and, if validated, lead to a termination of their relationship. I for one won't touch another Salsa whilst he is one of their poster boys.

Edit: I have just emailed Salsa to express my disappointment.
I’ve not read the piece Craig but I’ve heard of JP?s other exploits which appear to push the boundaries of the ‘rules’ The ‘rules,? Well these events should be about personal challenges within a set of boundaries which should really be self imposed. Unfortunately money always corrupts, with bikepacking/gravel riding going mainstream, although possibly only as a marketing tool ( when was the last time you saw an obvious multi day bike apart from our little crowd?) then sponsors want a marketable result. If your lifestyle or income depends on keeping them happy the pressure to succeed is big.

The real TD is people like our Dave, going at it hard for nothing more than personal pride and perhaps a free pint in the star inn.
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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by Mart » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:58 am

ZeroDarkBivi wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:06 pm
Just read that bit on the Radavist. Interesting, and if it is true, JP is emerging as the Lance Armstrong of bikepacking (it was never about the drugs). I hope his inappropriate and hypocritical comments are investigated by his sponsors, and, if validated, lead to a termination of their relationship. I for one won't touch another Salsa whilst he is one of their poster boys.

Edit: I have just emailed Salsa to express my disappointment.
I don’t believe he’s the saintly persona that he projects in the media.
Here is a point of view for those that have not seen
http://lacemine29.blogspot.com/2015/10/ ... y.html?m=1

Probably been mentioned before, draw your own conclusions
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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by FLV » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:20 am

We have a winner.

Chris S in 15 days 11 hours.

Strong ride !

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by voodoo_simon » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:22 am

And that’s a wrap for 2019...

Well, for Chris as least :-bd 15 days, 11 hours and 24 minutes. Impressive ride given the reported conditions this year, 25 minutes slower than Laels record that he had been (at least in the dot world) chasing

Back to the studio...

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by whitestone » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:35 am

The second finisher, Nate Ginzton should be arriving at the border in the next forty minutes or so. Alexandera is about a day or day and a bit out of Pie Town.

Dave B and his cohort look like they are just on the Colorado-New Mexico border and have about 700 miles to go. TL gives a projected finish time of 21d2hrs. Currently the riders in that area have a slight tail wind at least as far as Pie Town.

Edit: Nate has now finished in a time of 15d11hr24mins :-bd
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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by pistonbroke » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:59 am

Whilst having no desire to do the Tour Divide, dot watching especially when someone you know is involved, is fascinating. I was vaguely aware of JP's antics in other events but reading his jibes about the"purity" of the race this year strikes me that he's a serial breaker of Rule #1 "don't be a dick"

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by FLV » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:45 pm

Jay P for me is the worst ambassador.. I genuinely dont understand why he's held in such high regard.

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by Mart » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:16 am

That’s Josh Ibbot finished now - good ride and well in the top 10 for him :-bd
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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:30 am

Here's Dave stocking up on pork pie and Frijj milkshake

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and here is is up on Indiana pass.

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by middleagedmadness » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:40 am

He's looking f@cking well there Stu :-bd

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Re: Tour Divide 2019

Post by ZeroDarkBivi » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:33 pm

Mart wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:58 am
ZeroDarkBivi wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:06 pm
Just read that bit on the Radavist. Interesting, and if it is true, JP is emerging as the Lance Armstrong of bikepacking (it was never about the drugs). I hope his inappropriate and hypocritical comments are investigated by his sponsors, and, if validated, lead to a termination of their relationship. I for one won't touch another Salsa whilst he is one of their poster boys.

Edit: I have just emailed Salsa to express my disappointment.
I don’t believe he’s the saintly persona that he projects in the media.
Here is a point of view for those that have not seen
http://lacemine29.blogspot.com/2015/10/ ... y.html?m=1

Probably been mentioned before, draw your own conclusions
Got a nice email back from Lindsay Beltchenko, Salsa marketing manager. I think they are already aware of the waves JP has caused and the reputational damage to his sponsors, and are “working through this”.

So Bikepacking is now transitioning to a professional sport, and as such has evolved from ‘noble pursuit’ (at best), to entertainment, which is ultimately what all professional sport is. All the dot watching and associated commentary is further proof of that. Not saying that is so terrible, but we might as well acknowledge the truth.

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