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Mike Hall inquiry

Post by JohnClimber » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:45 pm

"Avoidable"... 18 months to come up with that ...

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.or ... 20%251%24s
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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:51 pm

Not sure what else they could have said really. It would only have taken a different choice or thought or a second one way or the other and things could be very different. Wrong place / wrong time for all concerned, sadly.
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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by Moder-dye » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:11 pm

But lost clothing and bike equipment by the police so couldn't determine how visible he was :|

And distracted by a parked car as he (a provisional driver) turned on to the highway at 62mph?! How many single carriage way roads do you turn on to at 62mph in the dark?

Doesn't change the sad reality but it pretty poor :sad:

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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by rando nomad » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:00 pm

I was rather concerned about the apparent lack of handling procedures by the NSW police. Seems someone messed up there. I'll have to do some more digging to see what exactly the issue was.

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Post by j.c.gillies » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:33 pm

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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:34 pm

Wasn't there footage of Mike riding shortly before the incident? Probably unlikely he'd have changed his attire in that time?
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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by JohnClimber » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:35 pm

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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by In Reverse » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:54 am

That report's a very sad read - nothing really jumps out as an underlying cause or smoking gun, which in turn means there's no significant lessons to learn.

A mix of
  • a shitty road
  • a shitty junction
  • (possibly) shitty lighting/visibility on Mike's part
  • (possibly) shitty driving on the driver's part
Most people on here will no doubt ride at night in similar conditions, sadly the only thing from that list that any of us can change is making ourselves more visible.

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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by Alpinum » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:13 am

I took a few reminders out of the tragic incident and am reminded by this again.

- make yourself visible.
- ride carefully (on roads. I don't apply it offroad) and well in control, not fast etc.
- don't ride roads with a certain type of traffic.

And again I go on about subjective and objective dangers...
I still ride pissed with only one rear and one front light, talking to mates while riding on the wrong side of the road/track/lane. But by elevating the subjective risks I still have minimal objective risks.

I never ever go on a busy road. I rather make a huge detour.

There's this problem with objective dangers.
I want it to be my fault when I get hurt.

Fast and busy roads are pure horror for me.
100 km/h traffic and riding a bike...
Are you fekn serious?
I didn't know cycling on such lanes was a thing.
Make a ultradistance race on it and you're asking for trouble. I can't understand why this isn't questioned more by fellow roadpackers. Is it because it's regarded as irreverent?

And some question if it was avoidable?

A tweet that struck me last night, next to many others:
"A pertinent question might be how many other people had successfully passed him? If it's many, this suggests the issue was more likely this particular driver, not the rider"
Ask the same for the driver...

People are sub standard. People make mistakes.
Make sure you only pay for the mistakes you made yourself. Keep the mistake to yourself.
Don't get harmed by others and don't harm others.

Subjective and objective dangers.
It's a huge topic in serious mountaineering.
Perhaps it should be made one in some road riding events, routes.
I can't remember any fellow alpinists who were surprised when Ueli Steck died. Shocked - of course. But not surprised.
No matter how well prepared, his dance was on very thin ice. Eventually it cracked. The old "question of when, not if".
It's far fetched, the objective risks of riding on a busy road in the dark are on a very different level, but the gauge may swing when you give in to subjective risks like 'wrong' time of day, dark clothing, tired state, stressed (causing wrong decisions) etc.

Pick it apart. Learn from it.
Many say how Mike was an inspiration. Well... let him be one for the positive and the negative aspects of road and gravel riding.

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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by Richpips » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:28 am

Some wise words there Gian.
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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by faustus » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:26 am

I've not read any of the reports or commentary, and i'm not going to.

To be honest, when it happened I was totally gutted (and still am) by the loss of a cycling hero i'd never met. From my perspective, there is nothing to be gained from reading fairly predictable reports on causes and re-heating of ongoing cycle safety debates. Most people know how that goes. It's still a goddamn tragedy, and I guess it's the nature of tragedy that there is little or nothing to soften it's hard truths.

For me, the most memorable thoughts came from Kinesis's tribute at the time: "Ride your bikes, hold your loved ones tight, and remember to enjoy the gift of life."

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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by jameso » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:39 am

^ well said. Thanks.

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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by redefined_cycles » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:11 am

^^ what James said. Summed it all up nicely and the thing of Mike Hall has been coveree extensively on here as well as other forums many times.

Best thing yo remember from it all is. What a wonderful family Mike came from. (I believe) His mum gave the driver a hug and never held a grudge...

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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by Alpinum » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:32 pm

redefined_cycles wrote:has been coveree extensively on here as well as other forums many times.
This was new and I can recommend reading it.

surely an eye opener for many...




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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by redefined_cycles » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:45 pm

Thanks Alpinum... will do...

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Re: Mike Hall inquiry

Post by Alpinum » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:02 pm

Alpinum wrote:
redefined_cycles wrote:has been coveree extensively on here as well as other forums many times.
This was new and I can recommend reading it.
JohnClimber wrote:All the details are here

http://www.bicyclingaustralia.com.au/ne ... ll-tragedy
surely an eye opener for many...




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Sorry, forgot to insert the link to the full report. Thanks John for sharing.

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