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Serious Assault

Post by PJG » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:32 am

Cycling through Middlewich on the gravel/road bike - looking to raise my VeloViewer Max Square count.
Ended up in a situation where a car was reversing and encroaching towards me, and I was about to get squashed.
I shouted and slapped the rear windscreen firmly, and the car stopped.

Driver gets out blind with fury, lunges at me, knocks me off the bike, we both fall over, get up again.
He's coming at me with fists raised, I'm backing away holding up my outspread hands to defend against his punches.
He grabs both my hands in his - manages to get a good purchase on my left little finger and deliberately tries to break it.

Having done enough to teach me a damn good lesson (not sure what it is yet), he releases me and retires still screaming abuse.
Fuckwit that he is - he did it right outside his own house, I couldn't resist laughing out loud when I watched him reverse onto his drive.

Damage - bike not too bad. He could have really gone to town on that Norco carbon frame if he'd thought about it.
Me - not fared so well. Finger was dislocated and fractured. 1 trip to A&E on Saturday, an operation today, and a visit next week to chat to the surgeon about the next steps.
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Re: Serious Assault

Post by BobCatMax » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:28 am

jesus wept, glad you are ok PJG.

There definitely seems to a complete lack of tolerance for some people. 0 to incandescent rage in just a few seconds.
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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Charliecres » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:15 am

:shock:

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Moder-dye » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:30 am

Blooming eck! :shock:

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Asposium » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:41 am

:shock:

It does sometimes seem that we, as cyclists, are considered second class when on the road.

Unfortunately, from my own run ins with motorists (getting knocked off rather than abuse) the police don’t seem to care.

Even when a cyclist is killed with no intent (there is no such thing as an accident, someone is always to blame) the punishment seems minor; Mike Hall’s tragic death being an example

Glad you’re mostly okay.

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by whitestone » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:44 am

Crikey Pete. Hope your injuries aren't serious and you recover quickly.
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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:50 am

there is no such thing as an accident, someone is always to blame
Sorry, that's bollox and just a reflection of the society we live in. I think we need to be a little more pragmatic perhaps ... I'm sure we used to be.

Police are likely to take this very seriously I imagine. Glad you're generally okay.
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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Landslide » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:42 am

That sucks, hope you're feeling better soon.

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Asposium » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:28 am

Bearbonesnorm wrote:
there is no such thing as an accident, someone is always to blame
Sorry, that's bollox and just a reflection of the society we live in. I think we need to be a little more pragmatic perhaps ... I'm sure we used to be.

Police are likely to take this very seriously I imagine. Glad you're generally okay.
Not at all, what changes is whether the incident was with malicious intent.

There is always culpability
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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Bearbonesnorm » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:32 am

You said 'accident' not 'road accident'. In the case of RTA, then generally one, both or all parties could (somewhere down the line) have taken steps to prevent or at least limit the potential for 'accident'.
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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Mike » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:56 am

You know where he lives now. I won't give you my answer....

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by PJG » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:08 am

Mike wrote:You know where he lives now. I won't give you my answer....
Definitely tempting, but wouldn't be worth it :smile:

My main aim now in pursuing this is to try and make him understand that his behaviour after the initial incident was completely unacceptable - so it's less likely for it to happen to someone else.

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Richard G » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:17 am

Really sorry to hear that man, must have been shocking.

I've had a few close calls like this. I've seen it happen to others too (including one idiot doing it to someone that you really, really wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of).

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by benp1 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:37 pm

That sounds scary and horrific

I'm not sure what I'd do in that situation. I find it difficult to see how it wouldn't end up in a brawl, but you did the right thing and were the bigger person there so good job. The guys needs some help

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Lazarus » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:29 pm

OP glad you are mostly Ok and that does seem a strange act from the driver and hopefully plod act on the incident and your injuries
Clearly a non rational actor if he does something like that outside his own house and what do they expect you to do get run over ?

There is always culpability
there is but that does not mean it was not an accident
accident = 1.an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
culpability = responsibility for a fault or wrong; blame.

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by ZeroDarkBivi » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:06 pm

That VeloViewer has a lot to answer for!
Hope you are OK. The system will not deliver justice, and karma doesn’t happen on it’s own...
Asposium wrote:
Bearbonesnorm wrote:
there is no such thing as an accident, someone is always to blame
Sorry, that's bollox and just a reflection of the society we live in. I think we need to be a little more pragmatic perhaps ... I'm sure we used to be.

Police are likely to take this very seriously I imagine. Glad you're generally okay.
Not at all, what changes is whether the incident was with malicious intent.

There is always culpability
As a society, we all love a bit of blame, but it is entirely subjective, and has little impact on preventing re-occurrence. When we investigate air accidents, it is not even a consideration; objective causal factors, and trying to understand why certain behaviors occurred are the only things that lead to effective interventions to prevent re-occurrence. The blame culture evident in so many places (including the NHS, but it is trying to follow the aviation just culture model) just suppresses understanding of the issues and never tackles the underlying organizational failings that allow people to do the wrong things.

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Fat tyre kicker » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:03 pm

That's sub standard that PJG, for your info, I think you can get out down that gravel track,
Theres a very overgrown footpath at the bottom you can push through, I had to
Take that detour when the canal bank was collapsed a few months ago.....
On another note, I drive a 3 ton van through Middlewich most days....if you
Publish the house number, I'll try my best to attempt a 17 point turn on the offending
Drivers lawn......allegedly :-bd

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by In Reverse » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:34 pm

FFS. I'm absolutely seething here Pete. Fingers crossed this prick gets his comeuppance.

Hope you're OK mate.

I'm no marine biologist, but if this ever went to trial is there a possibility that even the very sketchy details you've posted here could be deemed to be predjudicial? I'd be very tempted to remove the link to your statement.
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Re: Serious Assault

Post by In Reverse » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:35 pm

Asposium wrote:there is no such thing as an accident, someone is always to blame
Absolute nonsense. Even the HSE will (eventually) admit that some instances are just accidents.

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by PJG » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:53 pm

In Reverse wrote:FFS. I'm absolutely seething here Pete. Fingers crossed this prick gets his comeuppance.

Hope you're OK mate.

I'm no marine biologist, but if this ever went to trial is there a possibility that even the very sketchy details you've posted here could be deemed to be predjudicial? I'd be very tempted to remove the link to your statement.
Cheers Andy, have taken your advice.

Thanks all for the kind words, I'm doing pretty well considering :-bd

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by ericrobo » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:56 am

Should have knee’d him in the effing balls :mrgreen: the bass turd

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by ianpv » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:23 pm

That's unbelievable Pete, Adam told me about it on Saturday. Keep us updated on finger and outcome!

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by PJG » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:29 pm

Cheers Ian.
ericrobo wrote:Should have knee’d him in the effing balls :mrgreen: the bass turd
Eric - if this had been the movies, I'd have kneed him in the bollocks then maybe given him a roundhouse kick and delivered a VeloViewerExplorer-related pithy one-liner.
Maybe something like "Explore THIS, mother-flipper !".

As it was real life, and I was outgunned, I just took my punishment like a man :wink:

Finger is on the mend, it's strapped up in a fancy splint currently. Surgeon is happy with how it's healing.
Police have been friendly, sympathetic but so far have done virtually nothing as far as I can tell.

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by Teetosugars » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:10 pm

Whereabouts in Middlewich?- I'm up the road in Northwich, and this seems about par for the corse with a lot around here..
Not really that fun riding around here of late.

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Re: Serious Assault

Post by PJG » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:22 pm

Teetosugars wrote:Whereabouts in Middlewich?- I'm up the road in Northwich, and this seems about par for the corse with a lot around here..
Not really that fun riding around here of late.
It was on the A530, just south of the town centre.
TBH, most drivers I met that day were generally courteous - or no worse than usual.

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