More gopping than Laufs?

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More gopping than Laufs?

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I give you:

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and in case full fugly-ness couldn't be appreciated here's another angle, just in case ......

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http://off.road.cc/content/news/first-r ... -fork-2654
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:shock: Quick! Kill it before it breeds :-bd
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Looks like robot legs.

Weight of over 2kg and a lot of moving parts makes it a bit of a no-no for anything too adventurous I suspect.
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I quite like them
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Re: More gopping than Laufs?

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I'd give it a try... but bollocks to putting one on my bike. :lol:
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Reminds me of the AMP's from years ago.
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Will need bits replacing often.
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Richpips wrote:Will need bits replacing often.
not according to the makers, they're maintenance free apparently - SEE VID: https://singletrackworld.com/2018/06/ev ... kage-fork/

remains too be seen how true that is......
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Thanks for the link to the video.
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Has it melted in the sun?
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Don’t really care what it looks like but various attempts have been made to reinvent the telescopic fork, mainly in the motorcycle world. How many GP,s did the elf win? Noticeably all teams still use good old fashioned forks. If there was any advantage they would be using it.
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Seems to work for the BMW crowd
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BigdummySteve wrote:Don’t really care what it looks like but various attempts have been made to reinvent the telescopic fork, mainly in the motorcycle world. How many GP,s did the elf win? Noticeably all teams still use good old fashioned forks. If there was any advantage they would be using it.
Racing is different to everyday use though

As above, BMW seem to be getting on pretty well with there approach to suspension

(I should note that I'm happy with my telescopic forks, but happy for others to continue to innovate and try new things!)
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Elf was hub-centre ... a complicated system that's expensive to produce. This is simply a variation on the girder fork which does have a few benefits over relescopic forks. Trouble is, the public are so used to telescopic forks that 99% will never see beyond them or actually 'need' anything better. Separating high / low speed damping made a big difference how how telescopic forks behave, especially on pushbikes.
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1590 Euros! Oof.
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Re: More gopping than Laufs?

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Pretty much the same problem as every previous linkage / girder / springer fork - to make it stiff you have to make it heavy with a lot of that weight unsprung. The 'maintenance free' bushings (plastic and hard anodised alloy no doubt) will self destruct in the grit like as not. You really need needle rollers with proper oils seals to make it work (no stiction, and genuinely maintenance free with grease ports) but if you did it would be a better prospect than teles because of the lack of dive under braking

BM telelevers are heavy (BM admitted that at the time) but they counter that by having the engine acting as a stressed member which aint an option on a bike. Plus the design minimises unsprung weight (the bike weighing 250kg helps here) And they work really well, modest dive under hard braking and no flex that you would notice makes for an amazing ability to brake deep into corners without anything horrible happening....

I reckon a leading link fork would be an option for bikes as the unsprung weight is really low and with carbon fibre you could make them pretty light
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Re: More gopping than Laufs?

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I had a USE SUB on my Klein Attitude, it was quite good, didn't dive, but it did twist under heavy braking
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Found it
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I remember the USE Sub fork. Always wanted one, but wasn’t there an issue with the suspension effectively locking out under heavy braking?

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As far as the Motion is concerned, I like it. Not from a looks point of view, though I expect you would get used to it, but an engineering one. Weight and bushes notwithstanding, it corrects (I use this word specifically over “solves”) some specific issues that Telescopic forks have and that requires a good level of ingenuity and innovation to achieve.
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wasn’t there an issue with the suspension effectively locking out under heavy braking?
That was kind of the whole idea. No dive should equal stability, greater grip on the rear and less pitching of the rider under braking ... walking a fine line is a difficult thing though.
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Re: More gopping than Laufs?

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Yes, I realise that :roll:
What I meant was, if force applied at the calliper is greater than the impact force between the wheel and the ground then it prevented the suspension compressing (at least as far as the USE fork was concerned)?

This doesn’t appear to be an issue on the Motion as the pivot is much higher giving a different axle path isolated from the calliper and the carbon leaf spring works in tension not compression.
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