More gopping than Laufs?
Moderators: Bearbonesnorm, Taylor, Chew
- Cheeky Monkey
- Posts: 3915
- Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:48 pm
- Location: Leeds ish
- Contact:
More gopping than Laufs?
I give you:
and in case full fugly-ness couldn't be appreciated here's another angle, just in case ......
From here:
http://off.road.cc/content/news/first-r ... -fork-2654
and in case full fugly-ness couldn't be appreciated here's another angle, just in case ......
From here:
http://off.road.cc/content/news/first-r ... -fork-2654
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
Quick! Kill it before it breeds
- In Reverse
- Posts: 1821
- Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:08 pm
- Location: Manchester
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
Looks like robot legs.
Weight of over 2kg and a lot of moving parts makes it a bit of a no-no for anything too adventurous I suspect.
Weight of over 2kg and a lot of moving parts makes it a bit of a no-no for anything too adventurous I suspect.
- mountainbaker
- Posts: 1161
- Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:34 pm
- Location: Devon
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
I quite like them
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
I'd give it a try... but bollocks to putting one on my bike.
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
Reminds me of the AMP's from years ago.
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
not according to the makers, they're maintenance free apparently - SEE VID: https://singletrackworld.com/2018/06/ev ... kage-fork/Richpips wrote:Will need bits replacing often.
remains too be seen how true that is......
-
- Posts: 42
- Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:32 am
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
Has it melted in the sun?
- BigdummySteve
- Posts: 2974
- Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:16 pm
- Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
Don’t really care what it looks like but various attempts have been made to reinvent the telescopic fork, mainly in the motorcycle world. How many GP,s did the elf win? Noticeably all teams still use good old fashioned forks. If there was any advantage they would be using it.
We’re all individuals, except me.
I woke up this morning but I’m still in the dark
I woke up this morning but I’m still in the dark
-
- Posts: 815
- Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:15 pm
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
Seems to work for the BMW crowd
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
Racing is different to everyday use thoughBigdummySteve wrote:Don’t really care what it looks like but various attempts have been made to reinvent the telescopic fork, mainly in the motorcycle world. How many GP,s did the elf win? Noticeably all teams still use good old fashioned forks. If there was any advantage they would be using it.
As above, BMW seem to be getting on pretty well with there approach to suspension
(I should note that I'm happy with my telescopic forks, but happy for others to continue to innovate and try new things!)
- Bearbonesnorm
- Posts: 23942
- Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:53 pm
- Location: my own little world
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
Elf was hub-centre ... a complicated system that's expensive to produce. This is simply a variation on the girder fork which does have a few benefits over relescopic forks. Trouble is, the public are so used to telescopic forks that 99% will never see beyond them or actually 'need' anything better. Separating high / low speed damping made a big difference how how telescopic forks behave, especially on pushbikes.
May the bridges you burn light your way
- Bearlegged
- Posts: 2308
- Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:00 pm
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
1590 Euros! Oof.
- fatbikephil
- Posts: 6541
- Joined: Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:51 pm
- Location: Fife
- Contact:
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
Pretty much the same problem as every previous linkage / girder / springer fork - to make it stiff you have to make it heavy with a lot of that weight unsprung. The 'maintenance free' bushings (plastic and hard anodised alloy no doubt) will self destruct in the grit like as not. You really need needle rollers with proper oils seals to make it work (no stiction, and genuinely maintenance free with grease ports) but if you did it would be a better prospect than teles because of the lack of dive under braking
BM telelevers are heavy (BM admitted that at the time) but they counter that by having the engine acting as a stressed member which aint an option on a bike. Plus the design minimises unsprung weight (the bike weighing 250kg helps here) And they work really well, modest dive under hard braking and no flex that you would notice makes for an amazing ability to brake deep into corners without anything horrible happening....
I reckon a leading link fork would be an option for bikes as the unsprung weight is really low and with carbon fibre you could make them pretty light
BM telelevers are heavy (BM admitted that at the time) but they counter that by having the engine acting as a stressed member which aint an option on a bike. Plus the design minimises unsprung weight (the bike weighing 250kg helps here) And they work really well, modest dive under hard braking and no flex that you would notice makes for an amazing ability to brake deep into corners without anything horrible happening....
I reckon a leading link fork would be an option for bikes as the unsprung weight is really low and with carbon fibre you could make them pretty light
- mountainbaker
- Posts: 1161
- Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:34 pm
- Location: Devon
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
I had a USE SUB on my Klein Attitude, it was quite good, didn't dive, but it did twist under heavy braking
Last edited by mountainbaker on Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- mountainbaker
- Posts: 1161
- Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:34 pm
- Location: Devon
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
Found it
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
I remember the USE Sub fork. Always wanted one, but wasn’t there an issue with the suspension effectively locking out under heavy braking?
-
As far as the Motion is concerned, I like it. Not from a looks point of view, though I expect you would get used to it, but an engineering one. Weight and bushes notwithstanding, it corrects (I use this word specifically over “solves”) some specific issues that Telescopic forks have and that requires a good level of ingenuity and innovation to achieve.
-
As far as the Motion is concerned, I like it. Not from a looks point of view, though I expect you would get used to it, but an engineering one. Weight and bushes notwithstanding, it corrects (I use this word specifically over “solves”) some specific issues that Telescopic forks have and that requires a good level of ingenuity and innovation to achieve.
- Bearbonesnorm
- Posts: 23942
- Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:53 pm
- Location: my own little world
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
That was kind of the whole idea. No dive should equal stability, greater grip on the rear and less pitching of the rider under braking ... walking a fine line is a difficult thing though.wasn’t there an issue with the suspension effectively locking out under heavy braking?
May the bridges you burn light your way
Re: More gopping than Laufs?
Yes, I realise that
What I meant was, if force applied at the calliper is greater than the impact force between the wheel and the ground then it prevented the suspension compressing (at least as far as the USE fork was concerned)?
This doesn’t appear to be an issue on the Motion as the pivot is much higher giving a different axle path isolated from the calliper and the carbon leaf spring works in tension not compression.
What I meant was, if force applied at the calliper is greater than the impact force between the wheel and the ground then it prevented the suspension compressing (at least as far as the USE fork was concerned)?
This doesn’t appear to be an issue on the Motion as the pivot is much higher giving a different axle path isolated from the calliper and the carbon leaf spring works in tension not compression.