https://www.alpkit.com/sonder/bikes/son ... ri-rival22

Boo. Looks like a road only bike, not a carbon camino.

Good pricing!

Edit (one week later)- prices now appear and don't say £0 like they originally did

Of no interest to me, but good to see them branching out even further.

I'm guessing they released the copy early since it's both an endurance road racer and a trail hard tail while having clearance for 30mm tyres in one place and 28mm in another. Free is nice though

Yep, page has gone now at least.

And, it's released (well for pre-order etc)

https://www.alpkit.com/sonder/sonder-colibri/

I had a good look at one last weekend. Looks very nice.

But looks like it doesn't take proper mud guards. Can't help but think thats an oversight. I'd certainly want to be able to fit guards to a bike like that.

Is it not aimed at the type of rider who while willing to pour themselves into lycra 2 sizes too small, wouldn't be seen dead with mudguards?

Bearbonesnorm wrote:Is it not aimed at the type of rider who while willing to pour themselves into lycra 2 sizes too small, wouldn't be seen dead with mudguards?

N'ah, it would make a brilliant winter bike, so mudguard essential.

Not many mainstream carbon bikes come with mudguard eyelets, Trek and Whyte spring to mind but Cannondale and Scott didn't seem to think people needed them

Either way, nice looking bike

voodoo_simon wrote:

Bearbonesnorm wrote:Is it not aimed at the type of rider who while willing to pour themselves into lycra 2 sizes too small, wouldn't be seen dead with mudguards?

N'ah, it would make a brilliant winter bike, so mudguard essential.

Not many mainstream carbon bikes come with mudguard eyelets, Trek and Whyte spring to mind but Cannondale and Scott didn't seem to think people needed them

Either way, nice looking bike

Genesis Datum has 'em too. Spendy as a frame only option though!

I don't really get this. The eyelets give you the option, without them you're so limited.

It doesn't look like there be room for a mudguard on that fork anyway, the tyre looks very close to the crown. Most of the owners of carbon road bikes I know don't go out if it's raining those that do take their winter bike. Nice looking bike though.

ianfitz wrote:

voodoo_simon wrote:

Bearbonesnorm wrote:Is it not aimed at the type of rider who while willing to pour themselves into lycra 2 sizes too small, wouldn't be seen dead with mudguards?

N'ah, it would make a brilliant winter bike, so mudguard essential.

Not many mainstream carbon bikes come with mudguard eyelets, Trek and Whyte spring to mind but Cannondale and Scott didn't seem to think people needed them

Either way, nice looking bike

Genesis Datum has 'em too. Spendy as a frame only option though!

The whole 105 bike is out there for 1500 quid at the mo, same shops selling the frameset for the same price!