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Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Dave42w » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:09 am

I'm looking for my first bivy bag. An Alpkit Hunka XL looks suitable as I expect to use a tarp so don't need breathable enough to seal myself in during rain.

But I'm expecting 20 plus nights between April and end July lots in Wales and Scotland and I hate midges.

Would people recommend sleeping in a head midge hat thingy?

Or a full mesh bag?

Or a different bivy bag with midge mesh built in? If so which?

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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby composite » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:15 am

I use a head net with the Hunka XL and a tarp. I also carry a sea to summit "midge tent" thing that I could bicycle up under the tarp but I have still never used it.
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Dave42w » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:23 am

Thanks.

It's not something I ask very often! But are you a restless side sleeper? Just wondering if I'll strangle myself!
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby JohnClimber » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:32 am

Borah bag will take some beating for what you need
http://borahgear.com/sidebivy.html
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Dave42w » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:16 am

JohnClimber wrote:Borah bag will take some beating for what you need
http://borahgear.com/sidebivy.html


Thanks John.

Nice design but wow that is scary light material! I'm not sure I dare go for something that looks so fragile and which does not claim to be fully waterproof. Their Snowyside eVent® Bivy also looks fantastic but pricier.
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby FLV » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:45 am

Dave42w wrote:
JohnClimber wrote:Borah bag will take some beating for what you need
http://borahgear.com/sidebivy.html


Thanks John.

Nice design but wow that is scary light material! I'm not sure I dare go for something that looks so fragile and which does not claim to be fully waterproof. Their Snowyside eVent® Bivy also looks fantastic but pricier.


My Borah bag has lasted well. Slept on a lot of crappy rough ground too. It wont last forever for sure but its doing well considering the abuse I give it.
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Bearbonesnorm » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:13 am

If you're not in a great hurry then I wouldn't rush into buying something just yet ... there are a couple of things in the pipeline which may suit your requirements.
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Dave42w » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:28 pm

s8tannorm wrote:If you're not in a great hurry then I wouldn't rush into buying something just yet ... there are a couple of things in the pipeline which may suit your requirements.


Good grief, now I have to learn patience as well. This WRT stuff just gets harder and harder! :wink:

Seriously, thanks. Am I allowed to hope the pipeline includes products made in the UK? (yep I know the Terra Nova bags are but you have to go to a Jupiter to get mesh).
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Dave42w » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:33 pm

Thanks John and FLV for the Borah recommendations.

Sounds great for the midge protection, lack of condensation and weight.

Do you need to be fully protected eg by a tarp for all rain. I'm not sure what the mean by water resistant. I imagine sleeping with head under a small tarp with my gear and not worrying about my whole body not being under the tarp, is that possible with the Borah?

Plus I am concerned that people will laugh at the combination of an incredibly light bivy with my bike that has a Brooks and a kickstand each weighing more than the bivy bag :-)
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Chew » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:34 pm

Dave42w wrote:But I'm expecting 20 plus nights between April and end July lots in Wales and Scotland and I hate midges


If I were to be out for that amount of time I'd be thinking about tarp tents.

You'll still get most of the advantages of a bivi/tarp setup but with the extra space & protection you'll be glad of for a long trip.
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Bearbonesnorm » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:51 pm

Am I allowed to hope the pipeline includes products made in the UK?

Yep.

I imagine sleeping with head under a small tarp with my gear and not worrying about my whole body not being under the tarp, is that possible with the Borah?

Nope, you'll get wet. Water resistant is really just that, it's no way near waterproof and the seams aren't sealed either.
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Dave42w » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:59 pm

Chew wrote:If I were to be out for that amount of time I'd be thinking about tarp tents.


I have looked and drooled :-)
I think I want more combinations.

For discreet wildcamping: Bivy bag and simply lay tarp over bike and panniers to reduce visual impact.
For wet, less discreet wildcamping: Bivy bag and tarp over head, cooking, bags and as much body as practical
For fancy campsites when I need a shower: Vango Banshee
For pauses of up to a week: Vango Banshee with tarp as porch

I found one idea for the midge protection which is to stitch a midge mesh "fringe" around a tarp so that it hangs down to the ground and provides a midge free area under the tarp. But sounds quite bulky and fiddly and ruins any view.
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby atk » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:00 pm

Dave42w wrote:...yep I know the Terra Nova bags are but you have to go to a Jupiter to get mesh...


I believe their new Moonlite bag has a mesh zip panel thing... http://www.terra-nova.co.uk/tarps-bivis ... bag-cover/
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Lughnasadh » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:32 pm

I bought a little mesh pyramid tent from ebay a while back - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Camping-anti- ... 1c2496dac6
The one I have is the one that is high at one end and low at the foot end.
Midge proof netting with a bathtub floor and small enough to fit under a tarp like a Rig7.

Gives me options depending on midge season and weather.

Another option is a hooped bivi with a net door. I picked up a nemo gogo on here - I think Stuart had one for sale too. I find it to be the best shelter for my needs when I am on solo trips - compact, light, midge proof, waterproof and very quick to pitch.

When I am biking I use my Nemo. If I am out on the kayak I can carry more gear and tend to use the tarp with net tent if it is midge season.
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Ray Young » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:12 pm

I use a hang down full length midge net under my tarp when needed. I peg out the foot end and hang the high end from the front pole. Means I can sit up under it for eating etc.
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Dave42w » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:54 pm

Thanks for all these suggestions.

At the moment I think the bivy bag closest to my preferences is the Snowyside eVent® Bivy which is

- waterproof
- breathable
- has a mesh covered vent
- enough space for a mat inside (as I plan to use a quilt I think I prefer that)

I'll combine that with a head net http://www.midgie.net/

That should mean I am ok even in the wet at a discreet wildcamp.

Here's hoping for a UK made something similar at a price I can afford.
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby wingnut » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:26 pm

http://www.amazon.co.uk/HIGHLANDER-BIVV ... WE9T06W2G8 this is a large bivi bit heavy 900gms waterproof and comes with a bug net zip insert and a fully waterproof insert .
The zips on the face cover are a little fiddly but you soon get the hang of it.
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby ScotRoutes » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:39 pm

RAB Ascent has everything on your ticklist
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Dave42w » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:50 am

ScotRoutes wrote:RAB Ascent has everything on your ticklist


Yep, just been looking. The Ascent and Sierra have mesh. I hadn't spotted it on the pictures of the Ascent before. Looks like the Alpine does not.

Finding any Sierra's in stock looks impossible (pity because it is a bit wider and the entrance and space around your head looks nice).
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby wingnut » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:33 am

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just a few pics of the hawk bivi bag by highlander 240cm long and 95cm wide at shoulders .
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby wingnut » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:37 am

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and a few more for those interested , I know there is not much online showing the bivi bag .
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Dave42w » Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:29 pm

wingnut wrote:and a few more for those interested , I know there is not much online showing the bivi bag .


Very, very interesting. Thanks.

If it is 95cm wide at the shoulders how wide is it towards the foot end? Wondering if my 65cm wide sleeping mat will fit inside.

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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby wingnut » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:09 am

Hi I've just got in from work , will measure in the morning and post .
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby Dave42w » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:59 am

wingnut wrote:Hi I've just got in from work , will measure in the morning and post .


Thanks!
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Re: Basic bivy bag with midge protection

Postby wingnut » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:54 pm

The bag is 64cm right at the bottom but 20cm up from the bottom it measures 70cm but the bag is 7 foot 8 inches long and I put my pack at the bottom .
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