psling wrote:I don't know why but I've got it in my mind that Jeff Jones rode with Nitto Moustache style bars when he first developed his space frame and before he developed his loops; probably wrong though, hazy memories.
Probably, easy way to test an idea. M bars are an old idea. He welded up some H-bars pretty early on though, the spaceframe came after the H-bar, was on a Jones 26" bike with a sus fork that had a TT layout like the Stooge.
by jameso » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:49 pm
But the fit and geo of the Jones makes that comparison not much use.
...which of course is part of the whole concept of his one size fits all design and it's great that he had the character to put his design ideas out there (and his ability to actually ride the things so well!).
It does fit a wider range than conventional bikes but I'm not convinced 1 size fits all optimally.
I may like the bike as much as I do as I'm the same height as Jeff (just lacking even 50% of the skill). Interesting that he has a few more sizes now, would like to hear the reasons were for that. Fine-tuning the fit I guess.
His ideas are so influential though, agreed, just comes from common sense critiques of bikes that you don't get from following the path that 'what's out there must be right so I'll just make small incremental changes'. We wouldn't have got Fisher G2 29er geometry or 29+ when we did if it wasn't for Jeff talking to people with bigger volume brands that have the ability to tool up and start wider trends. He was doing revised mtb fork geometry and 50mm rims and the biggest 29" tyres he could find way before anyone realised the true benefits, all going against the ex-roadie mentality of the 90s-2000s bike designs like Bontrager's cut down rims, long low front ends etc (edit to add, reading that back, Jeff might have learned a trick or 2 from 60s French rando bikes, he's pretty open about how much influence he gets from old bikes). And it does help that he's a skilled rider, gets the potential of the bikes across well. I've ridden through and out of situations on my Jones that amazed me, situations that have been certain crashes in the past on conventional hardtails, as I reacted and started to sight up my crash spot I was halfway out of the problem and then looking at the bike wondering how it just happened. Something in that bike's balance and fork, wizardry. (Sorry, easy to get onto a ramble here, a a fave subject for me - bike design and probably the most interesting designer of bikes out there).